Repair for Dead Gauges on 2003-2006 Nautiques Caused by Bad Faria Gateway

[SilentSeven]

I..... I've created a short video on the procedure here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PR-77jDDNo or you can search YouTube for "Dead Faria"......

That's super cool! Impressive! That's going to save some folks for sure!

So...I have one ballast tank gauge that's DOA and I know this gauge got dunked (submerged) in the water. What do you think chances are that it's the stepper motor that's toast? Few details on the dunking...fresh water, not salt....don't believe the gauge system was powered on while submerged but it was connected to harness. My uneducated guess...might just be the stepper that froze up so its worth a shot...but appreciate your assessment.

Regarding replacing the surface mount capacitors...does that require special soldering iron / technique or is it just some careful precision work?

[TechBeer]

If you have 1 or more dead gauges and you think your gateway is OK, i.e. the digital data is still good but the analog gauge(s) is bad, I have figured out a way to fix them. That way you can maintain the original look of the gauge but they will actually function. I've created a short video on the procedure here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PR-77jDDNo or you can search YouTube for "Dead Faria"...... I think many dead gauges are blamed on the gateway or bad wiring when it's really the stepper motors and/or capacitors in the gauge itself.

[ETskier]

Thank you TechBeer. My boat is a 2006 SN196 Team edition with Zero Off. I'm mostly interested in doing what schnuubi above did with his speedometer. He bought a new FARIA GPS Speedo and swapped the guts into his original Speedo. Mine is paddle wheel. Keeps everything original looking and functional. I know I will lose the digital water/air temp and depth. All the other guages are working fine.
So, how do you open up the guages?

[TechBeer]

ETskier - Which gauges are you talking about? The fuel, temp, oil pressure and battery gauge run off a serial bus which daisy chains from gauge to gauge. If the LCD display in the middle of the speedo cycles through the correct information it's likely not the gauge or gateway and more likely just the connectors/connections. I occasionally have the same issue on start up but they seem to recover after a few minutes. If you are talking about the speedometer that's a different story. I don't know if the SN196 still used the pitot tubes or not. My SV211 uses a paddlewheel. Of course after I upgraded to the PP Stargazer the speedometer in the PP is likely way better than the analog gauge anyways.

[ETskier]

I have had these same guage problems for 4 years and was able to buy replacements. However, my gateway box is fine. The guages are aging and no replacements are available any more. I see where the guts of the speedometer can be exchanged for GPS and stepper motors can be replaced in the old small guages. How did you guys disassemble the old guages without breaking them.

[TechBeer]

2006 SV211. Just resolved a challenging issue with my Perfect Pass that I thought I would document. There are lots of threads associated with this so I might post to multiple threads. BTW, the 2006 models do NOT have the pitot tube connections to the gateway so IMO the gateways for this model year is likely pretty reliable. However if you read on you'll see that the folks at Correct Craft don't always use the correct connectors in the wiring harness which can certainly create issues. This is the SECOND keying issue I have found on my boat related to Deutsch (now TE Connectivity) DT model connectors. The other was with the Ballast Controller which I documented in another thread, search ballast system 2006.

Anyways.....the symptoms are Perfect Pass once engaged would NOT disengage, could not go faster than 6MPH. I had replaced the display around 2016 (non-Stargazer) so I didn't think this was the problem. Perfect Pass tech support (Gary) agreed and thought it was the gateway. So I bought the bullet and upgraded to the Stargazer bypass kit. I plugged everything in (not permanent) and tried it. It worked a little better but I could not consistently engage and dis-engage the system. Like the buttons didn't always work. Also, I could not get into the menus. Another call to PP and the only thing left was the display (only 5 years old). So I shipped my display back to PP to get it diagnosed. In the mean time I'm in the middle of summer without a boat, so I convinced PP to give me a discount on a new display which I had in a couple days. Plugged it in and no good....

To jump right to the solution the problem was NOT the gateway and NOT the PP system. It turned out that the P11 connector in the engine harness was incorrectly keyed (from day one in 2006). The way these DT style connectors (which are all over Nautiques of this era) is that they have little "tabs" on the corners that correspond to slots in the mating receptacle. There are 4 different keying options A - D. The plug in my boat was a "D" keying while the gateway and PP bypass kit takes an "A" keying. In theory you should not even be able to push them together but if you force it.... Anyways, I had to methodically file off the Pin 1 tab for it to seat fully into the R11 receptacle in the bypass kit. After that, things worked perfectly...... If anyone needs more details please PM me or post to this thread.

[sno700sks]

2006 SV211, gateway mounted under dash, no pitot tubes. Started to notice my tach LED display working intermittently the end of last season, the needle always worked, but the LED was only showing a few of the numbers/letters, alarms seem to still be working. Started it up the other day, now the needle has stopped working, LED is still failing to display properly, and temp gauge not working. Also noticed the backlights for tach and temp gauge are out, all others came on. Hoping to do a complete inspection of the wiring this weekend as suggested by a previous post but I thought I would check to see if anyone had this same issue and how it was resolved. I have owned this boat since 2014, replaced the perfect pass display in 2016 (non-gps), and a couple other gauges have acted up but nothing consistent.

Is the gateway on the verge of failure? Gauge failure?

[Brucetheshark]

SilentSeven - I took a Faria Chesapeake SS Black NautiqueJeff - thank you !


I exchanged the stepper motor on the oil pressure gauge today and will report tomorrow whether it works again.

Hi, does your oil gauge function with the new stepper motor?

For reference: I'm fixing a 2006 SN196LE, with working Speedo and Tach, but non working Oil, Volt, and Temperature. I suspect my issue is the CAN message circuits or power circuits from the Gateway box because I purchased working used gauges from a guy on this thread and they also do not work. Mine has a paddle wheel, so no pitot tube water concern.

[gilbertnautique]

Out at lake yesterday.... in the morning the digital display was jumbled on the tach and the tach itself would not function. Later in the day the digital display finally came back but th tach wouldn't. Checked for loose wiring on dash and found none. When powered back up the tach needle is ticking at 0. Does this appear to be a gauge or gateway control issue?

[NautiqueJeff]

Use our PN discount (PND) for 10% off.

[fb_rider]

Does anyone have any thoughts on how to get this gauge replacement kit for less than it's $900 price tag? My gauges are finally acting up and I'm tempted to make the conversion on my 2004 SANTE, but want to make sure I get the best price

[NautiqueJeff]

Yes, that is correct.

[CJ Sciortino]

So my 2006 220 TE speedometer gauge will work and then stops even the digital part and then maybe a few hrs later will come back on line. And repeat. If I’m reading this right and I try the fix and it doesn’t not work and I disconnect the pitot lines the digital part should still work with it disconnected. Really the only thing I want to work is the depth gauge. Thanks

[ScooterMcgavin]

Pretty cool for sure ! Nice work

[schnubbi]

Hi,

Today I got around to installing the speedometer again.
It takes about 5 minutes to get the GPS signal, but then it works fine.