New Model coming in October?

[scottb7]

Go BIG or go home .......said Elon.....lol

Easy for Elon to say. He made billions $ off the company, that he did not actually start, and under his watch has NOT turned a profit.

"Tesla proved success through performance"...what the heck does this mean? how do you define success? Selling cars and then being out of business when the batteries die, while other companies can actually manage their overhead relative to their sales, and play catch up, and laugh at Elon.

[Kenv]

Easy for Elon to say. He made billions $ off the company, that he did not actually start, and under his watch has NOT turned a profit.

"Tesla proved success through performance"...what the heck does this mean? how do you define success? Selling cars and then being out of business when the batteries die, while other companies can actually manage their overhead relative to their sales, and play catch up, and laugh at Elon.

LOL...I really don't know **** about Elon Musk...I just threw his name in there since everyone was talking about batteries and big money. I don't smoke weed...so I really don't pay much attention to him.....

[Kenv]

I received more info that the new boat is going to be an extremely low production run. I asked "so like 250 units?" the reply was "25 boats will be made"

Well ****'S BELLS....if they bump that to 30....I might just snag one.....LOL

[Mahnal]

Easy for Elon to say. He made billions $ off the company, that he did not actually start, and under his watch has NOT turned a profit.

"Tesla proved success through performance"...what the heck does this mean? how do you define success? Selling cars and then being out of business when the batteries die, while other companies can actually manage their overhead relative to their sales, and play catch up, and laugh at Elon.

In the context of friendly banter... he created a $32B electric car company from scratch, that is growing rapidly. And sells cars that are profitable, so Tesla's profit or loss (as is the case) is by design or a choice. The facts are that Tesla is still in business. You can make fun of Elon, which is fine, but you didn't need to start arguing with me about it. 'nuff said, and we are cool by me.

[scottb7]

Was it "from scratch" or not? Lots of stuff on the net say not. So I would like to know the truth so I would quit putting him down. Seems like he ran with someone else idea.

https://www.businessinsider.com/tesl...-story-2014-10

Did Elon Musk invent the Tesla car?
Originally Answered: How did Elon Musk create an electric car? He did not create the electric car nor did he create Tesla Motors. The initial concept for what was to become Tesla was formed in the garage of JB Strauble the Co-Founder and CTO and was later developed in Stanford's engineering lab while he was there.

[Mahnal]

Interesting article, but lets get back to the topic, the point I originally made was Tesla, regardless of the companies founding, has grown by playing to the strengths of Electric motors, and by overcoming the down sides (range). The approach was to go after performance luxury. What do we want in a surf boat
- Powerful, high torque engines - new Tesla has 750ft-lbs - Check!
- Quiet engines - in an electric car mostly what you hear is wheel noise. Check
- Weight in our boats - a 100kwh batter is 1200lbs - a G25 carries 650 lbs of gas (since similar sized wake boats used to weigh less, it seems it would be easy to have a 6000lb boat have 200kwh.
- A full day on the lake - 100kwh on a Tesla provides 300 miles at 60 mph, or 5 hours of run time. A 200kwh should provide more run time, but there are lots of variables here. The point is, it is reasonable with today's tech (Tesla uses commercially available panasonic cells), to have a full day of battery on a boat.
- Price - this is a variable I didn't get narrowed down quickly, but it appears 50kwh battery would be about $5k to $7.5K, so for 200 kwh, you would need $20k to $30k in battery. Gas Engine versus a high torque electric engine are going to be similar priced, about $20k, the electric engine may be less expensive, but not by a significant amount.
- Space an electric engine is much smaller, and battery can be placed in more flexible ways than a gas tank, so the engine compartment should go away completely providing more room.
- No exhaust - some heat management is still required with an electric engine, but this is much less significant.
- Transmission - since the torque is flat, and the engine placement is more flexible, the transmission will be less expensive, but this is probably not significant.
- Boat speed - Since the torque curve is flat, AND rev ranges are higher, low end speed management will be better and high end speed will improve. changing your prop for one with different characteristics will likely be a thing of the past.

SO... the net is probably $20k in additional costs for a boat that out performs our gas boats in every single way, and since I spent $4000 in gas this year on the lake, that is a 5 year payback.

Is this the boat Nautique is creating in October, maybe since it appears it is low production. Will it replace our boats, not now, but in the next few years.... very possible. But after writing this post on it, and that causing me to think through this more, sign me up!

DL

[greggmck]

Before we get too carried away let's remember that Nautique has already previewed an electric GS boat in Europe. See: https://www.boats.com/reviews/super-...st-look-video/

My guess is they will either be bringing the same electric engine to the G23 or bringing the electric GS to the US. Why do I think this? First: I heard they were going to announce an electric boat in September and a new surf boat in October. But the Sept. announcement was delayed. In addition, I found a cached page on Google that hints at an electric G23 announcement that has been removed. Here is a screen shot:


I would also speculate that we are conflating two unique announcements. One is that they announce an electric G/GS here in the US. Another is that they announce a completely new gas or diesel Surf boat. The G is a great boat, but it is loosing ground in the high-end surf market because it needs an update to compete with the best of the best.

[core-rider]

I don't know anything about this purposed "new" release other than what has been said here... But I personally think it will be hype... the next "game-changer"! Maybe they release info on a concept electric surf boat, maybe diesel, maybe none of that! Could it be a low production run "Paragon" type boat? Maybe similar to the Byerly Edition that had a low production run... I'm not even sure they produced as many as was planned because who really wants to pay more for basically a 210 with no real performance change!?!

Any of these could be real possibilities, but if that price point is even near accurate only people with money to burn and low amounts of common sense will buy it anyway. To each their own!

[DWhitt]

I’m hearing that there’s a 24’ surf boat coming that borrows some of the styling from the new Ski. Sounds like the big reveal will be at Callaway Gardens. I was also told it would be mega expensive like you guys are hearing.

Looks like I’ll be hanging on to my 220 and upgrading to a G23 when money allows...


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[Yeaitsslo]

I honestly don’t see there ever being a diesel nautique. There is no market for that. No diesel docks on the lake. It’s too much of an inconvenience to the general public.

[greggmck]

There are already experimental diesel engine G boats. Here is a picture of one.

While diesel may not be available on some small lakes (many don't even have gas) diesel is the preferred fuel for larger boats and on the water diesel fuel is usually cheaper. Diesel makes the most sense for surf boats because of the additional torque and efficiency.

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[CHassmann]

Here is an option/possibility that no one has mentioned. What if Nautique is going to introduce an all aluminum boat like Pavati? Those boats appear to throw a massive wake and are over $300k new. Thoughts?

[Evening Shade]

I would love a diesel boat. I keep my boat on a lift at our lake house, but I don't buy fuel on the lake, its too expensive. I buy non-ethanol fuel at the closest gas station for about $2.80/gal. Same gas station has off road diesel fuel which would be even cheaper and legal to use in a boat.

[Laptom]

For me maybe 4 hour run time and 6 hour charge time would be fine...However...

I think the issue for me is what is the company really accomplishing? Making a super expensive boat for rich people, who don't want to go to the pump? Proof of concept you can make an electric boat? Is this really necessary? Pushing the limits or creating a better battery? I doubt it.

It seems that the resources of Nautique would be better spent managing the price of the product so more people can learn to ski, surf, or board.

A lot of lakes in Europe are not allowed with combution engines. Electric is no issue. Restrictions are getting more and more. A lot of CC are built into electric.

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[scttp]

Here’s my prediction: they’ve filled the rumor mill with “300k surf boat”, but really what they do is fix the g25...make it an actual amazing surf and wakeboard boat. More ballast, tweaked hull, new top deck, etc etc. I feel like they could sell A LOT more g25s with some improvements. Or it’s some sort of major drive train improvement...


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