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  • Miljack
    1,000 Post Club Member
    • Dec 2004
    • 1629

    • Charlotte, NC

    • '08 230 TE ZR6

    #16
    Mike,
    I like the way you're thinking 8-) A couple of things I have direct experience with, then some questions for you.

    1. PCM's ECU is a GM MEFI3 or 4, 5 and has a custom tune installed. I sent my ECU to a guy in Socal who has a lot of experience with the GM "Ram Jet" FI engines, both small and big blocks. He could not break the password protection on the PCM ECU, so he tried to install a tune he used on the other GM Ramjets, and the engine would not run. I had to send it back to PCM and they were able to "re-install" the original tune.
    So, you will need to get the password for the PCM ECU so someone else can tune it, or will your contact at PCM get that done?

    Maybe your idea of pulling the Excalibur is a good idea, you could sell it to offset some of your project costs, or you could store it for the time you are ready to sell the boat.

    GM's LS series of engines is getting a ton of development in the aftermarket, plenty of controllers, bolt on part, etc..6.2 L is the standard configuration, pretty close to your 383 stroker, but would you be afraid of the aluminum blocks? Would be pretty easy to convert to closed cooling, then you will save about 200# on the back of your boat.
    Looking at the stock torque curves on the LS3, you would have to prop it so the revs come up quickly, but the redline of this engine is 6600 rpm, that should give you plenty of top end, plus the torque curve is pretty flat from about 3000rpm-5000rpm so should be good for footing. Not sure of the money on this engine, but I think they're in the ball park of what you're thinking about.

    Questions; If you decide to go with a new engine/efi controller, how do you interface with the boat?

    Can you get oxygen sensors in your new exhaust manifolds without having to weld in bungs? If yes, this will help your tuning process a bunch.
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    • oldslalomskier
      • Aug 2009
      • 131



      #17
      Re: Power-Up, HT383 vs. Supercharger

      Originally posted by Mikeski
      I am tired of having a great boat that feels underpowered for most of my activities. ...

      Here are the goals:
      1. Pull a solid 34mph at less than 4,000rpms
      2. Come out of the hole in wakeboard mode with a full passenger and full ballast load within a decent timeframe
      3. Turn a small diameter prop to maintain a clean slalom wake
      4. Pull a barefooter a solid 44mph

      ...
      Thoughts?
      Both Malibu and Mastercraft offer models that will do that easily.

      Seriously, have you considered a custom prop? Talk to Eric at OJ for instance, or perhaps a changer in transmission is in your future?

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      • bmh2208
        • Apr 2004
        • 288

        • Austin

        • 77 CC American Skier '83 2001 '03 SAN

        #18
        RE: Re: Power-Up, HT383 vs. Supercharger

        Just throw a hundred shot of nitrous on it and be done! that should get you out of the hole quick enough. and a different prop to keep you up to a higher speed when you get there

        haha. j/k.

        If you are looking for doing something crazy, why not consider a diesel route? Should pull you like a freight train. Maybe couple it with a 2-speed transmission like MB to get the top end.

        Idk. maybe my idea is dumb, but I figured we are brainstorming here so might as well throw out all the options.

        Or ****, I think your an ee, why not look at doing something electric (ala epic). Wait...I haven't heard much about their e-boat lately. maybe it electrocuted the whole lake.

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        • thedude
          Senior Member of PLANETNAUTIQUE
          • Apr 2007
          • 451

          • SW PA


          #19
          RE: Re: Power-Up, HT383 vs. Supercharger

          Look at it this way...if you do the 383 stroker, it would be silly not to upgrade the heads/cam on that as well. So upgrade the heads/cam first, see where that gets you, if you are unhappy, then do the shortblock next winter.

          As far as tuning, maybe with the support and right contacts from Planet Nautique, you could get in touch with the engineering department at PCM, and they could help you with the tune. In exchange, they have documentation about possible aftermarket capabilities of their EX330. They would get good publicity on the net because if you document this well, I'm sure many people will be interested in your build-up. Best of luck!

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          • Mikeski
            1,000 Post Club Member
            • Jul 2003
            • 2908

            • San Francisco, CA

            • Current 2005 SV 211, due for upgrade! GS22 or GS24 perhaps? Previous

            #20
            RE: Re: Power-Up, HT383 vs. Supercharger

            few points of clarification.
            It's a V-drive. The cam is not coming out while that block is in the hull. I could do the heads but that too would be quite difficult without pulling the motor. If I pull this motor, I am not too inclined to put that 2 bolt block back in.

            I expect the ECM tune to be one of the most costly aspects of my little project. I already have a contact at PCM that may help me with this part of the project, at least he seemed game while I was going down the supercharger path. I am sure the whipplecharger will fit under the stock hood, if not, that alone would kill the supercharger option.

            In earlier times when I had more time than money I would have taken a step-by-step approach for this project. These days I would rather spend the money once and do it in one fell swoop.

            After pondering the options for a week now I am leaning more and more toward the HT 383. Not sure if I will be keeping the stock manifold? Not sure if I will be keeping the stock MEFI either? I need to make the calls to those in the know.

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            • 2gofaster
              Senior Member of PLANETNAUTIQUE
              • May 2008
              • 671

              • Stevenson Lake-Conroe, Texas


              #21
              RE: Re: Power-Up, HT383 vs. Supercharger

              If you decide to ditch the MEFI, then that opens your choices to some really good efi systems that we use in racing such as Big Stuff 3 or FAST XFI. You can find tuners for those all over. Including me. I'd be willing to come out and tune it on the water if you did either of those. Or I could recommend tuners for those. I assume it's not an LE or Team where you'd need to keep the canbus interface to the gauges?
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              • ClemsonDave
                Senior Member of PLANETNAUTIQUE
                • Oct 2004
                • 659

                • Glen Allen, VA

                • Ski Nautique 200

                #22
                RE: Re: Power-Up, HT383 vs. Supercharger

                Sounds like some car guys in here! Anyone on LS1Tech or corvetteforum?
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                • 2gofaster
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                  • May 2008
                  • 671

                  • Stevenson Lake-Conroe, Texas


                  #23
                  RE: Re: Power-Up, HT383 vs. Supercharger

                  Oh yeah..........been 7.71 at 194mph in my twin turbo drag radial mustang. Horsepower is goooooood.
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                  • SNMike
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                    • May 2005
                    • 1001

                    • Florida


                    #24
                    Re: RE: Re: Power-Up, HT383 vs. Supercharger

                    Originally posted by 2gofaster
                    Oh yeah..........been 7.71 at 194mph in my twin turbo drag radial mustang. Horsepower is goooooood.
                    Ooooh yeah!! There's no replacement for displacement. :twisted:
                    I've been a certified car nut since way before I could drive. You guys see, the movie Gran Torino? That was my first car, right down to the lug nuts, same color, same 428 Cobra Jet. Pass anything but a gas station. But at $.50 a gallon......who cared. After that, was a loyal Chevy guy. Corvettes, Monte Carlo SS's, Impala SS, Then Trans Am WS6........now SRT8's.

                    Give me American V8 rumble, or give me death. :mrgreen:

                    Regards! Mike
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                    • ClemsonDave
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                      • Oct 2004
                      • 659

                      • Glen Allen, VA

                      • Ski Nautique 200

                      #25
                      RE: Re: RE: Re: Power-Up, HT383 vs. Supercharger

                      Sweet! Here's my 2nd fastest pass to date. This was the record for the fastest stock longblock + power adder vette. I extended it earlier this year with a 10.12 @136.
                      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLMkakOhL1c

                      Just put on a larger blower. Still 100% stock longblock, trans and rear. Drive's like a regular vette till you hit the pedal on the right. Renting the track, MIR, Nov 6th. Hoping to hit 9s before I sell it.
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                      • SNMike
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                        • May 2005
                        • 1001

                        • Florida


                        #26
                        Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Power-Up, HT383 vs. Supercharger

                        Originally posted by ClemsonDave
                        Sweet! Here's my 2nd fastest pass to date. This was the record for the fastest stock longblock + power adder vette. I extended it earlier this year with a 10.12 @136.
                        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLMkakOhL1c

                        Just put on a larger blower. Still 100% stock longblock, trans and rear. Drive's like a regular vette till you hit the pedal on the right. Renting the track, MIR, Nov 6th. Hoping to hit 9s before I sell it.
                        SAAWEET Dave! Did the other guy turn his ignition off?!? Yellow_Flash_Colorz: Great hook up budro. Glad you left straight and true, no scratches is good.

                        I forwarded that to my next door neighbor, he owns a tire shop in town. Just finished a ground up resto on a 71 Chevelle w/ a 502 crate. We're taking it to Gainesville this weekend. I'll post pics of the car and time board.

                        Regards sir!

                        Mike
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                        • bchesley
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                          • Feb 2006
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                          • Tyler, Texas


                          #27
                          RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Power-Up, HT383 vs. Supercharger

                          Holy Crap ClemsonDave I bet the guy in the mustang was a little embarassed. That is way to cool.
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                          • ClemsonDave
                            Senior Member of PLANETNAUTIQUE
                            • Oct 2004
                            • 659

                            • Glen Allen, VA

                            • Ski Nautique 200

                            #28
                            RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Power-Up, HT383 vs. Supercharger

                            It was a beat up old Camaro, but yea. He was parked next to me. Some of my buddies heard him trash talk me. "corvettes are slow and don't belong on the track". I just kept my mouth shut. Needless to say, he was pretty quiet the rest of the day. Oh, and I drove my car to the track, he trailered his. I love beating those guys. Hate to give it up, but skiing is more important to me.
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                            • Flipside
                              • Feb 2009
                              • 137

                              • Portland, OR


                              #29
                              Wow, unhappy with your power? Geeze I replaced my GT40 with an '09 PCM EX343 with an ACME 380 prop on my 2002 SAN, and I have no problem getting up to 50+ mph with RPM to spare. I had 3 x 200 lb guys and equipment on boat too (no ballast obviously). It has a Walters 1:1 V-drive.

                              Changing the train of thought (pardon the punn), would modifying your tranny help e.g. a 1:1 to a 1:1.23?

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                              • bmh2208
                                • Apr 2004
                                • 288

                                • Austin

                                • 77 CC American Skier '83 2001 '03 SAN

                                #30
                                Hey Flip...you got any conversion pics of the process you undertook. I'm sure we would all like to see the work.

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