Nautique Releases G23 Paragon

[RDT-G23]

I see the ZZ8 Tech Info, but I don't see a manual. Am I missing something? I want to upload it to our site.

This is all we've got for now, which is much better than before; it certainly isn't the end of the story, I agree. It has fluid specs, impeller, etc.

[NautiqueJeff]

I just got an e-mail from Ron Nace moments ago. He e-mailed me to let me know that PCM just published the manual; it is on the site now... Thankfully.

I see the ZZ8 Tech Info, but I don't see a manual. Am I missing something? I want to upload it to our site.

[Kmayotte]

https://www.marinemax.com/boats-for-...austin/7493895

250K w/ under 20 hours. I don't see these things depreciating enough in the next 10 years for me to own one. Oh well.

[RDT-G23]

The engine has great power; the torque is especially stout. It runs at about the temp that other marinized GM V8s with closed cooling do, which is about 169 degrees. Surfing at ~11.5MPH happens at about 2,850 RPM. I haven't done any scienific fuel consumption studies, but it seems to be not too dissimilar from my previous H6. In short, it seems like a great power plant in the short time I have used it, especially for the P23 (weight).

My only gripe has been (and remains) - PCM has no manual for the ZZ8 yet. Absurd. I talked to someone at PCM (I won't name the individual, but someone who was quite aware that it needed to be published). This conversation was ~120 days ago (at the time I took delivery of the boat with no manual). He agreed that "they need to get this done". Contrast that with the F250 I took delivery of in December; it was one of the first produced with the third generation Powerstroke. Did it come with a well-considered, thorough manual? Of course it did. Am I wrong to juxtapose boat and auto manufacture? Clearly.

To illustrate how frustrating and wasteful this issue is, my dealer went to change an impeller on a P boat recently (for a Planet Nautique forum member here) and found that the pump on the ZZ8 didn't take the same impeller as the other 6.2L engines. This, in and of itself - isn't terrible; the issue is that he had nothing to tell him this in advance. He found out by pulling it from the pump. This all happened in a neighboring state... Bad juju.

So, back to task - great engine so far. Owners getting hours on them will tell the reliability tale. I hope and suspect it will be a great powerplant for PCM and Nautique. They seem to do a good job engineering, but not supplying guidance manuals to the end user...

I just got an e-mail from Ron Nace moments ago. He e-mailed me to let me know that PCM just published the manual; it is on the site now... Thankfully.

[MinnDakNautiqueFan]

So who's going to list the first "used" Paragon for sale? Anyone seen one yet?

Marine Max Sail and Ski Austin has one listed in their Brokerage section.

[Kmayotte]

So who's going to list the first "used" Paragon for sale? Anyone seen one yet?

[RDT-G23]

For those with the newer Paragons (late 2020 or the 2021s that are being delivered now), let's hear some feedback on how the boat is performing? In particular wondering about the ZZ8 motor as far as power, fuel consumption, typical RPMs, any cooling issues, etc?

The engine has great power; the torque is especially stout. It runs at about the temp that other marinized GM V8s with closed cooling do, which is about 169 degrees. Surfing at ~11.5MPH happens at about 2,850 RPM. I haven't done any scienific fuel consumption studies, but it seems to be not too dissimilar from my previous H6. In short, it seems like a great power plant in the short time I have used it, especially for the P23 (weight).

My only gripe has been (and remains) - PCM has no manual for the ZZ8 yet. Absurd. I talked to someone at PCM (I won't name the individual, but someone who was quite aware that it needed to be published). This conversation was ~120 days ago (at the time I took delivery of the boat with no manual). He agreed that "they need to get this done". Contrast that with the F250 I took delivery of in December; it was one of the first produced with the third generation Powerstroke. Did it come with a well-considered, thorough manual? Of course it did. Am I wrong to juxtapose boat and auto manufacture? Clearly.

To illustrate how frustrating and wasteful this issue is, my dealer went to change an impeller on a P boat recently (for a Planet Nautique forum member here) and found that the pump on the ZZ8 didn't take the same impeller as the other 6.2L engines. This, in and of itself - isn't terrible; the issue is that he had nothing to tell him this in advance. He found out by pulling it from the pump. This all happened in a neighboring state... Bad juju.

So, back to task - great engine so far. Owners getting hours on them will tell the reliability tale. I hope and suspect it will be a great powerplant for PCM and Nautique. They seem to do a good job engineering, but not supplying guidance manuals to the end user...

[MG94]

For those with the newer Paragons (late 2020 or the 2021s that are being delivered now), let's hear some feedback on how the boat is performing? In particular wondering about the ZZ8 motor as far as power, fuel consumption, typical RPMs, any cooling issues, etc?

I forgot all about the new engine once I took delivery. 550 has plenty of power for us but we run 3-4 people max most do the time


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[SteeleWake]

For those with the newer Paragons (late 2020 or the 2021s that are being delivered now), let's hear some feedback on how the boat is performing? In particular wondering about the ZZ8 motor as far as power, fuel consumption, typical RPMs, any cooling issues, etc?

[Eeleagle]

Yup zero is fully deployed and nose down attitude. Your welcome! Happy boating! Still need to get on a P23 one of these days.


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Come out some time check it out I’m in Cali


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[nohlan_4]

That worked thank very much appreciate that ,on the paragon the ncrs setting is the wave shape which should be at 0 for no porpoise thank you again


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Yup zero is fully deployed and nose down attitude. Your welcome! Happy boating! Still need to get on a P23 one of these days.


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[Eeleagle]

I meant that ncrs is actually turned on when cruising. Make sure the ncrs is set to 0 and in the high setting with zero ballast. Then report back. That should be baseline good. If not then add small amounts of front ballast until it goes away. If that’s doesn’t work then I’m not sure what else to try.


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That worked thank very much appreciate that ,on the paragon the ncrs setting is the wave shape which should be at 0 for no porpoise thank you again


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[nohlan_4]

There is a off ,lo and high setting no auto I believe I have be trying everything from high to lo to off , also been trying different ncrs setting with ballast weight in front yet still have the porpoise issue after around 28 mph any thoughts


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I meant that ncrs is actually turned on when cruising. Make sure the ncrs is set to 0 and in the high setting with zero ballast. Then report back. That should be baseline good. If not then add small amounts of front ballast until it goes away. If that’s doesn’t work then I’m not sure what else to try.


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[Eeleagle]

You have the ncrs plate in auto with no ballast when cruising like that?


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There is a off ,lo and high setting no auto I believe I have be trying everything from high to lo to off , also been trying different ncrs setting with ballast weight in front yet still have the porpoise issue after around 28 mph any thoughts


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[MG94]

Love the new design and fit and finish of the paragon but the new motor is really a over kill or need to fix something ,
on my paragon after 28 mph it starts to bob up and down in the front real bad to the point you have to slow down not sure why has any one else with a paragon experienced this


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I don’t have much issue when the ballast is empty. I don’t cruise much over 25 since it just sucks gas. I also don’t go very far so it’s not an issue. It’s acts a bit better then my g23 did overall.


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