Nautique Releases G23 Paragon

[JACOB11379]

Ours is the 550 and it’s been great but we don’t typically have more then 3-6 people in the boat. I sense that if you had a full crew and full ballast it might be a little sluggish. Some of the guys that have been on both say they like the 550 since it’s not as noisy.


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Is this motor used in other boats? How about the 2:1?.....hate to buy a boat where it was only used for half a year of production. Gonna be hard to find parts in 10 years.

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[JACOB11379]

My H6Di / ZZ6 engines burned about 6.8 to 7.2 GPH when surfing. The Supercharged ZZ8 in the Paragon burns 7.4 to 7.7 GPH. These are accurate measurements made over more than 100 hours of fuel consumption. Pretty impressive for such a powerful engine!

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Whats your top speed with that ZZ8?

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[MG94]

Ok, so how big of a deal is it to have the ZZ7 instead of ZZ8? Anybody?

Being in the market for a P23 I probably should figure this out. Actually had a dealer contact me this morning on a Green and white brochure P23 that is coming available with the ZZ7....

Ours is the 550 and it’s been great but we don’t typically have more then 3-6 people in the boat. I sense that if you had a full crew and full ballast it might be a little sluggish. Some of the guys that have been on both say they like the 550 since it’s not as noisy.


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[JACOB11379]

The 550 engine is no longer an option on the Paragons!

You can't order a 550 on the Paragon anymore.

The only engine available is the new ZZ8.

And I believe the gear ratio has changed, too.

100% closed cooling is nice.

Ok, so how big of a deal is it to have the ZZ7 instead of ZZ8? Anybody?

Being in the market for a P23 I probably should figure this out. Actually had a dealer contact me this morning on a Green and white brochure P23 that is coming available with the ZZ7....

[JACOB11379]

Did this trailer ever make it to production? Thats really nice addition to boat. The P23 i just passed on had chrome plating and said boatmate not Paragon...

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[JACOB11379]

Revising my estimate. That loan would have about 172k in interest over its life. (Didnt do an amort schedule, but I guess if you own for 7 years youd pay like 90k in interest? A 240k loan at 6% for 20 years has that 1,719 payment they show on the sign.)


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If you have the means to purchase a P23 you should also have the means to pay it off early. If you cant make the down payment in 1-3 years probably not a good idea to buy one....At least thats how I see it....I need the loan cause it would take me 4 years of saving to buy it outright. But I suppose the flip side is if you have the money to buy one you dont care about the interest....

Id be more inclined to pay a big chunk down the next year or two to eliminate the first few years of payments that just go to the bank....

[JACOB11379]

Hey Bevo-

This is how a man hauls 110 gallons of sweet nectar for my baby; it fills at faster rate than a filling station pump. 70' of fuel line takes it right down to the Nautique/Sea Doos. Note the stitching on the seats of the cart. Do you feel sorry for our mutual friend/my neighbor? He gets a regular diet of Bama... RDT.

epic dude....Where did you buy that?

[JACOB11379]

I completely agree. This also highlights an issue with the supercharged engine in the Paragon which requires premium fuel. There is no option for premium fuel at my marina. I'm not sure premium is available at the majority of lakeside marinas either. Are people with lake houses lugging fuel tanks from roadside gas stations?

Unfortunately I won't/can't consider the Paragon until it is available with an engine option that can burn regular fuel.

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I have to pull my boat for fuel. they have one pump on the lake and its $8 a gallon last year when I checked.....Thats like $520 a tank at 65 gallons....

[greggmck]

My H6Di / ZZ6 engines burned about 6.8 to 7.2 GPH when surfing. The Supercharged ZZ8 in the Paragon burns 7.4 to 7.7 GPH. These are accurate measurements made over more than 100 hours of fuel consumption. Pretty impressive for such a powerful engine!

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[JACOB11379]

The only issue that I can't get over is the weight, 7400 lbs dry? The hull has the same beam, length and fuel capacity as the current G23 so where is the 1500 lbs of additional weight coming from? The added dry weight means more horsepower is needed to push the boat even without ballast, greater towing capacity is required, a 3 axle trailer at a minimum and greater boat lift capacity? I believe XR7 engine requires premium which is more expensive and not as easily available on the water. The XR7 burns much more fuel than the H6Di so my $8,300 annual fuel bill now goes to what $14-$16K? Why not use advanced manufacturing techniques to make the hull LIGHTER then increase the weight with fast fill ballast?

How much did fuel costs change?

[JACOB11379]

GMLIII.....I heard 49 will be made this year.

DO you know how many ended up being made?

[SteeleWake]

An 18 x 17.5 is a steeper prop than the 17 x 17. It would place an even greater load on the transmission. Nautique specced the ZZ8 with the 18 x 13.5 (a much lower pitch than the 17) to reduce the stress on the drivetrain. One may be able to go up to a 14 or 14.5 inch pitch and not endanger the drivetrain but that's about the steepest prop I would ever consider. Regarding the RPMs, they are already much lower on the ZZ8 than the ZZ6 and XR7 because of the 1.5:1 gear ratio.

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Ah thank you, makes sense and I was totally thinking about it the wrong way!

[greggmck]

I wonder how it would be with the 3345 (18x17.5)? Don't know enough about props but would think the large diameter would help with load a bit? I don't care about the speed, but the lower RPMs/fuel consumption could be cool!

An 18 x 17.5 is a steeper prop than the 17 x 17. It would place an even greater load on the transmission. Nautique specced the ZZ8 with the 18 x 13.5 (a much lower pitch than the 17) to reduce the stress on the drivetrain. One may be able to go up to a 14 or 14.5 inch pitch and not endanger the drivetrain but that's about the steepest prop I would ever consider. Regarding the RPMs, they are already much lower on the ZZ8 than the ZZ6 and XR7 because of the 1.5:1 gear ratio.

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[SteeleWake]

While the 17 x 17 on the ZZ8 is much faster, I would expect the 17 x 17 to be too much torsional load on the 1.5:1 transmission when surfing or wakeboarding. The Pargon is not built for speed. Unless it were a glassy windless day I would not venture much over 35 mph. That bimini grabs too much wind to want to go very fast.

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I wonder how it would be with the 3345 (18x17.5)? Don't know enough about props but would think the large diameter would help with load a bit? I don't care about the speed, but the lower RPMs/fuel consumption could be cool!

[philb]

This was the reason they went to the smaller ratio transmission. The new motor was blowing apart the 2:1, way too much torque.


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Exactly!!!