Price Swapping!

[redelf75]

I hope I'm not totally out of line here, but I need to voice my opinion.

PN is a great source of information regarding CC boats and general info in the watersports/boating marketplace. Furthermore, I would only like to see the site grow in this regard, with the exception of one area. Price.

We've had long heated threads before regarding price and I think the general opinion was that everyone should make the best deal they can and leave it at that. Exchanging price information only seems counterproductive in the long run. In this topic, the boating industry is very different from the auto world. It is a very small world and in the end, divulging price info, even privately, will only come back to haunt you.

That being said, if CC doesn't mind, Jeff & Luke could easily post the list price sheet for all to see.

Thanks,

[NautiqueJeff]

Price Swapping!

As far as I know, there is no public MSRP for any of Correct Craft's boats at this time.

Things might be changing though. In the latest issue of WBM, CC listed prices for the 220 and 211 in their ads.

[jefe]

I am sorry, but in this technological internet age, the world has become a very small place. No matter what anyone says, or how they say it, Price gouging is never beneficial to CC or its customers.

CC has been fighting to keep territories around, been trying to keep their dealers happy, and providing their dealers with as much benefits as they can, but allowing a 10k price difference between two of the same boats with the same options is simply outragous, and should never be allowed in the first place. I have no problem with price swapping, it keeps greedy dealers in line.

Also, I have yet to see CC give PlanetNautique any "heads-up" other than telling them what they can or can't have up on their site. Do they provide any financial assistance? For example, what happened to the price picture on the original 220 thread? Why hasn't it returned?

We have seen thread after thread deleted with no other explanation than CC requested it. Like when the graphics were leaked, what happened there?

I am thinking CC is going to need to rethink the territory issues and get more in line with the Global economy within a marketplace that is online.

[FatBoy]

RE: Price Swapping!

redelf75,

You and I will just have to agree to disagree on this one. After all this is America and if I am so inclined to disclose to someone on here or anywhere else for that matter, how much I paid for something, well that's my business. I did not sign an agreement with CC when I got my boat to keep what I paid for it a secret. This kind of thinking is really scary to me. I agree that everyone is entitled to a fair profit and I have no problem with that, but then again I also think the practice of not allowing CC dealers to sell to anyone outside of their sales market area is tat amount to price fixing. In my book it's just against all the principles of free enterprise, and should be and probably is against the law.

No hard feeling, just my opinion as you have yours as well.

[CEASTWEB]

RE: Price Swapping!

No offense to anyone here, but there will always be the price differences between dealers just like fuel prices are different in every state. If you had two dealers in the same area that gave you a 10K difference in price, then I believe that is a bit messed up. But since every dealer has different costs in freight, fuel and most petroleum based products, price varies greatly. I do believe people should have the ability to state what they paid for their new toy.... Just my two cents

[cmb]

RE: Price Swapping!

ceastweb, what you mention would be th edifference in freight and prep. That will be no more than $1k. What you do have is a dealer in San Diego has a much higher costof land and employees than one in say Alabama. So there is some justification... But, there is no reason we can not all say what we paid locally.

[CEASTWEB]

RE: Price Swapping!

Very true... But different dealers also do offer different packages with new boat deals.... but its neither here nor there

[WakeUpDude]

Yeah, it comes back to haunt you.

I feel good though because I paid Central Valley Marine $63,400 OTD for my '04 SANTE or I was going to go pound rocks. Now I can't even get rid of it for 47k to pick up an '06 boat. It never came back to haunt me because I did the right thing! Yellow_Flash_Colorz:

****, I'd think for over 63 thousand bucks, they could return my calls, and I think Mike could have been a little more forgiving on price EVEN IF it was one of the last 2 Team's for sale in Cali.

Oh, did I mention it took 1 hour + of haggling to get the boat with a trailer that didn't have a fender/step that had been smashed.

We even haggled to get some trailer guide pads thrown in!

...all for $63,400!




For these reasons, I'm going to buy a VLX from the dealership down the street from Central Valley Marine then I'll park it in CVM's driveway (just kidding about the driveway part... :razz: ) or driving all the way up to Seattle to buy from Pacific since I've heard only GREAT things about them.

[AbunDiga909]

I don't think its fair to compare what what the same Nautique with the same options sells for in Florida, California, Connecticiut, Maryland, etc... There are just too many viriable, some personal, that are taken into account when you buy this expensive toy. For example, I'm sure my dealer in CT doesn't sell nearly as many Nautiques as a daeler near L.A. or Orlando or Miami. Therefore, I'd expect the same Nautique to cost more from my dealer in CT than the dealer in CA. So supply and demand is one, there's just not that many buyers in my area for such a short season. Also competition plays a role, I've got both a MC and BU dealer in my area so that will bring the price of my boat down compared to the same boat from an area where there is no MC dealer nearby. And, where is the dealer getting its money from? Nautique sales only supply a fraction of my dealer's income (I think...), they also sell many expensive Cobalts and have a pretty **** expensive club membership. That will bring the price down of my boat compared to the same boat from a dealer who gets 100% of it's income from just selling Nautiques. Then there's just personal situations. If Donald Trump walks into your dealer and says, "I'd like one of each model for my party next week" would you ask "Ok so lets sit down and talk... can you do 15% off list 12% options? I know that's pushing it but you're getting the best boat out there..." No... you'd say "Alright this is what it is, lets make a deal..." giving him a relatively high price... We're not Donald Trump, ****, it took us 6 months to make the purchase... primarily due to price... Obviously annoying a dealer for that long will bring the price down a significant ammount. In the end, we got a killer deal, a pretty darn good killer deal, and I don't think my dealer would like me saying how much of a killer deal we got b/c then he'd just not be making any money from Nautiques...

So, I just don't get it when some guy from CA tells a guy in MD that his dealer ripped him off b/c his boat costs 6K more... For all I know the dealer in CA could have gotten a bigger profit from the dealer in MD. Anyway sorry for the rant but it just doesn't make sense to compare prices people paid from across the country, there's just way too many variables... What you paid is what you paid you can only compare it to your previous purchase...

[AbunDiga909]

WakeUpDude, sorry to hear about your experience w/ your CC dealership... some guys are just ********. If I payed 63K for my boat I'd expect them at my doorstep every weekend to wax and detail it then pull it to the lake while I drive the Ferrari they bought me along side...

But don't give up the Nautique! Don't downgrade to a BU b/c of one *******. If you really wanna annoy the guy buy the CC from another dealer that will show him that you still want the CC and will go that much out of your way just to get away from him and not deal w/ him...

[patoloco]

I see no problem with individuals sharing prices. I think after you choose to drop 50,60,70K on a pure luxury item you have the right to disclose whatever you want. Heck, post a copy of your receipt.

The biggest thing you have to be concerned with is if the dealer cuts you a really great deal, for whatever reason, and did not do the same for one of his other customers, it will tick off the other customer. The dealer will then be less inclined to do the same for you next time. But again, thats your choice, live with the consequences. I personally wouldn't share a really great deal, because I want the same consideration next time.

I think its bad business to force customers to a certain territory, but I concede CC's legal right to do so.

For me, open it up and let the free market economy work its wonders...the absolute vast majority of the time it will work out in the customer's favor....

If I'm willing to drive 10 hours to save 2K..so be it...eventually the local dealer would be forced to lower his price just enough to keep you in state.

[CEASTWEB]

Well Said AbunDiga909!!!!!

[speck]

i found a 10 k usd difference between ohio (guess) and michigan and shopping caused my nearest dealer to drop SUBSTANTAL dollars off his first quote. i am glad about the deal that i got in the end, but it was shopping that got me there. playing terrritories helps the dealer adhere to higher prices period. prices will very, but i think they should be closer than what they are.

[skinautique]

WakeUpDude, sorry to hear about your experience w/ your CC dealership... some guys are just ********. If I payed 63K for my boat I'd expect them at my doorstep every weekend to wax and detail it then pull it to the lake while I drive the Ferrari they bought me along side...

Are you in lala land here? A ton of people think that it is easy to run a dealership and that the dealership should bend over backwards for you. You would be suprised to see the amount of time and effort put in by salesman to sell a CC boat. It isn't a walk in the park to make the deals happen and by no means should they be expected to just give the boat away. I realize that everyone pays a big dollar for their boat but some people also need to be realistic here.

Abundiga, I am not singling you out here. Just wanted to quote this part of your post.

[redelf75]

Well...

I don't disagree with anyone's right to discuss their price. After all, this is America. But those same laws that allow is to do that also allow dealers to charge what they want. Whether it's higher or lower to another dealer or to another customer, it's the delear's perogative.

If you don't like your CC dealer's price you can't really drive to another dealer in a pratical way, because you need to stay in favor with your local dealer, unless you want to travel for service too. And what if you plan on mooring your boat at the dealer's marina? Do you think that's going to work, if you bought your boat from another dealer? What you can do is buy a boat from another manufacturer. I wonder if the 210 counterpart from MC or BU sell for $67,000.

So it is a little different from the auto industry in this regard. But why do you think the auto dealers are offering free loaners if you bought the car at their dealership? They want some of the dealer loyalty that the boat industry gets.

In the end, it's supply and demand. SOme dealers just creat the demand better than others.