NSS Confusion

[thejean]

Fair point Charles. Very likely you are correct that maybe the control system for the NSS plates might be different for different years of boats. I also find it odd that 0 is fully deployed and 5 fully retracted. Same for the NCRS. It's very counter intuitive.

[GMLIII]

Fair point Charles. Very likely you are correct that maybe the control system for the NSS plates might be different for different years of boats. I also find it odd that 0 is fully deployed and 5 fully retracted. Same for the NCRS. It's very counter intuitive.

I can confirm 0 is a fully deployed plate on the NSS for a G23 2017

[thejean]

That much I think we all agree on. So is fully deployed is known to be the steepest surf wave? Or does it drive the nose of the boat down and mellow out the wave? There seems to be some division of opinions on this point.

[GMLIII]

That much I think we all agree on. So is fully deployed is known to be the steepest surf wave? Or does it drive the nose of the boat down and mellow out the wave? There seems to be some division of opinions on this point.

No the pitch of the nose (bow) changes with adjustments of the NCRS and not NSS .

[thejean]

No the pitch of the nose (bow) changes with adjustments of the NCRS and not NSS .

Yes agreed. That seems fairly straightforward.

I wonder if the lower part of the NSS also works like the 230 hydrogate on the G series boats in pre-2016 model years? In 2016+ model year G boats, I could actually see the lower part of the NSS almost acting like a Malibu power wedge. I'm actually quite curious why they angled the NSS at 45 degrees on the newer models...

The engineer in me has me wanting to make a call to Nautique to have a chat with one of their engineers! Lol

[GMLIII]

Yes agreed. That seems fairly straightforward.

I wonder if the lower part of the NSS also works like the 230 hydrogate on the G series boats in pre-2016 model years? In 2016+ model year G boats, I could actually see the lower part of the NSS almost acting like a Malibu power wedge. I'm actually quite curious why they angled the NSS at 45 degrees on the newer models...

The engineer in me has me wanting to make a call to Nautique to have a chat with one of their engineers! Lol

I dont know the thread but someone posted a picture of the NSS plate deployed while the boat was not in motion so you see the plate. I think there is some prompt in the dealer settings so it can be deployed at a trade show otherwise the boat has to be in motion between I think 3 mph and maxing out at 13 mph for the plates to deploy. Any speed over 13 mph they can not deploy for safety reasons

[a0128]

. . . Maybe I should start a poll? Lol

No - maybe you should go back and READ YOUR MANUAL. I went through every manual from 2014 to 2018 and in each one it is stated as such:

NSS Setting - used to adjust steepness. 5 is associated with the most vert wakesurf wave, and is also the most likely to be "washy" due to how steep the wave is. Having an NSS setting of 0 would create the mellowest or most ramp-like wakesurf wave, which would also create the "cleanest" wakesurf wave. The factory NSS setting has been set to 0 because with factory ballast, this creates the best all-around wave for the user.

NCRS Setting - used to control steepness and can be used in conjunction with NSS setting. As with NSS, having an NCRS setting of 5 would create the steepest wakesurf wave. An NCRS setting of 0 would create the most ramp-like wave. Unlike NSS, an NCRS setting of 5 tends to create the cleanest wave and having a NCRS setting of 0 tends to create a wave more likely to "wash out".

If anyone tells you otherwise they either have never read their manual or didn't receive proper training. Pretty clear to me.

And YES, it would be the same for all boats. Why would they make it different for each boat? How confusing would that be for sales, support and ownership?

[F725]

According to thejean's first post, he did "READ THE MANUAL" and even posted the exact same information. The dealership and others gave him information that contradicted the manual. So he's asking for clarification.

I've owned 5 Nautiques, all with NSS. All 5 have acted the same way... NSS @ 0 = flatter, longer wave. NSS @ 5 = Steeper, shorter length wave.

Before I heard about the theory of water convergence behind the boat I was sure that the plates were fully deployed at "5". Made sense in my mind, 0 = less, 5 = more, but then I couldn't understand why the spray from the NSS plates was much more at lower NSS settings than higher settings. I did some reading and then asked a Nautique rep to confirm that 0 = more and 5 = less.

[philb]

No - maybe you should go back and READ YOUR MANUAL. I went through every manual from 2014 to 2018 and in each one it is stated as such:

NSS Setting - used to adjust steepness. 5 is associated with the most vert wakesurf wave, and is also the most likely to be "washy" due to how steep the wave is. Having an NSS setting of 0 would create the mellowest or most ramp-like wakesurf wave, which would also create the "cleanest" wakesurf wave. The factory NSS setting has been set to 0 because with factory ballast, this creates the best all-around wave for the user.

NCRS Setting - used to control steepness and can be used in conjunction with NSS setting. As with NSS, having an NCRS setting of 5 would create the steepest wakesurf wave. An NCRS setting of 0 would create the most ramp-like wave. Unlike NSS, an NCRS setting of 5 tends to create the cleanest wave and having a NCRS setting of 0 tends to create a wave more likely to "wash out".

And YES, it would be the same for all boats. Why would they make it different for each boat? How confusing would that be for sales, support and ownership?

What he said!!!! Besides my boat, I'm in different ones most weekends and they're all the same......

[thejean]

No - maybe you should go back and READ YOUR MANUAL. I went through every manual from 2014 to 2018 and in each one it is stated as such:

I didn't take possession of my boat yet so don't have the manual in my hands but as F725 stated, I downloaded and DID READ IT. That is why I asked the question as it contradicts what most (but not all) people have been telling me.

Anyway, I didn't want to start a fight with this I was just interested in trying to understand what people are trying to achieve with their NSS settings. Obviously I will experiment on my own but figured there would be some consensus among owners but clearly not. I even found an interview with Drew Danielo that stated 0 was steepest and that clearly contradicts the Nautique literature. So you see where the confusion is coming from.

[scottb7]

I don't want to be a douche but i kind of agree...everyone - not just you - needs to read manuals more...

P.S. I think maybe I have to apologize in advance. I am just frustrated cause this generation posts like every 2 minutes for no real reason. I know it is me... I am old...I am sorry.

Yeah, Drew had it backwards. Who cares???? Plus, you are new to Nautique. You have no idea how crap their manual is...

[thejean]

I don't want to be a douche but i kind of agree...everyone - not just you - needs to read manuals more...

P.S. I think maybe I have to apologize in advance. I am just frustrated cause this generation posts like every 2 minutes for no real reason. I know it is me... I am old...I am sorry.

Yeah, Drew had it backwards. Who cares???? Plus, you are new to Nautique. You have no idea how crap their manual is...

Well I hate to say it but if you will have read the last few posts and the very first one in this thread, you will see that my confusion was a direct result of READING THE MANUAL (as opposed to just accepting misinformation verbatim).

I would think this is a subject that most Nautique owners would actually be interested in. If you're not interested in the discussion then just don't read it and move on. Easy enough, no?

Oh and I'm 42 by the way. Does that make me young? My kids mock me constantly about being old. So thanks for the compliment, I guess...?

[thejean]

Found this great video. Here Adam Wensink clearly states why an NSS of 0 is intended to create a mellow wake... in his words "the NSS plate extends further, creating more lift in the transom in the boat, making the pocket long". Anyway, this is consistent with the manual and dispels any misconceptions that a setting of 0 is supposed to create a steeper/taller wave. And you can even see it in the video itself.

[doug69]

For 230 definitely steeper at 5. I learned that by using the boat which is a novel concept but that’s how I roll. I surf at 4 cause I like the steep. I keep waiting for nautique to to have a setting that goes to 11 and then I will trade up.


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[thejean]

For 230 definitely steeper at 5. I learned that by using the boat which is a novel concept but thatÂ’s how I roll. I surf at 4 cause I like the steep. I keep waiting for nautique to to have a setting that goes to 11 and then I will trade up.


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You do realize that 11 would mean the NSS is completely retracted into the boat to the point where the plate would likely be sitting near the centre of the boat, don't you? I fail see how that would improve the wave beyond a boat with no NSS. But I guess if you want to go back to listing your boat, have at her. Can always add a suck gate I suppose...