750 or 400 sacs plumed into 210?

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  • dttheel
    • Jan 2014
    • 193

    • Crozet, VA

    • 2023 GS 22 2013 SAN 210 TE - sold

    #16
    I put 750s on top of the hard tanks this spring. Also added a 300lb sack under the bow seats. My experience is that you won't need to fill the 750s to get a great wave. And, if you do, you will want more weight up front (additional bag, lead, or passengers).
    DTT
    2013 SANTE 210

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    • rlwagens
      • Feb 2008
      • 147

      • Michigan

      • 2006 SANTE 210

      #17
      I use the same bow sac that jondavis posted and it fills my 06 almost perfectly. Problem is the overflow vents are constantly getting air locked and I have to manually vent the bag or push it out/throw boat in reverse to get it to vent. When draining generally always have to disconnect the bow bag from the belly tank or the bag collapses and the tank can't empty without bending sender.

      Anyone else run into this issue/have a fix? Have tried one way air checks and adding lines but generally they aren't sensitive enough to the suction that the jabsco pumps create.

      In regards to the question at hand, just got back from cumberland and with 500 in the bow, 350 in belly, and then 10 people jammed in the main cabin, it was nice to have 750s in order to completely fill the starboard side only and level the boat. The wake is stupid big and vertical on the OG hull tho unless more bow weight is added.
      Last edited by rlwagens; 08-07-2017, 06:09 PM.

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      • swatguy
        1,000 Post Club Member
        • May 2008
        • 1636

        • Midwest/ Northern IL

        • 2008 SANTE 210

        #18
        750's will fit. The straight line sumo 900's also fit on top of the tanks. . My suggestion would be ditch the tanks and add 1100's back there. Gain a crap ton of storage and still get to maximize ballast.

        Are you looking to add more for boarding or surfing, both?????

        i have the piggy back sac in my ski locker from wakemakers ,and 200lbs of pop bags I keep all the way tucked under the nose . I can wakeboard at 23.5 around 3/4 full in each 1100. And surf with both 1100's full.

        I had had to ditch the factory team prop in lieu of the 1617 to get out of the hole with that setup for boarding.

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        • Evening Shade
          1,000 Post Club Member
          • Apr 2015
          • 1295

          • Martinez, GA/Lake Greenwood, SC

          • 2017 GS20 Previous: 2011 SAN 210, 2007 Malibu Wakesetter 23LSV, 1995 Cobalt 200

          #19
          Can you even fill 750s all the way full in a 210 when piggybacked on hard tanks? I had 600s in my 210 and they maxed out the rear lockers. I usually didn't even fill them all the way full because I was worried that they would rub on the gas strut hardware and get a hole.
          2007 Malibu Wakesetter 23 LSV, 1995 Cobalt 200

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          • biggertanks
            • Sep 2012
            • 17

            • POcatello, ID

            • 2000 Sport Nautique 2005 sv211 team 2011 SANTE 210

            #20
            Originally posted by tmb

            I have a bow sac under my front seats that is plumbed into belly ballast. I still seem to get a little bow rise when my 400's are filled on top of my factory tanks. Wasn't sure how bad it would be with 750's.
            I was looking at doing this to my 2011 210. Two 400 sacs plus bow, are the results not good enough? Is that why you are looking to go up to 750?

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            • cedarcreek216
              1,000 Post Club Member
              • Oct 2009
              • 1009

              • Dallas, TX

              • 2018 210 2013 210 2009 216V

              #21
              Originally posted by rlwagens
              I use the same bow sac that jondavis posted and it fills my 06 almost perfectly. Problem is the overflow vents are constantly getting air locked and I have to manually vent the bag or push it out/throw boat in reverse to get it to vent. When draining generally always have to disconnect the bow bag from the belly tank or the bag collapses and the tank can't empty without bending sender.

              Anyone else run into this issue/have a fix? Have tried one way air checks and adding lines but generally they aren't sensitive enough to the suction that the jabsco pumps create.

              In regards to the question at hand, just got back from cumberland and with 500 in the bow, 350 in belly, and then 10 people jammed in the main cabin, it was nice to have 750s in order to completely fill the starboard side only and level the boat. The wake is stupid big and vertical on the OG hull tho unless more bow weight is added.
              We have the same issue. We just disconnect the easiest line to get to in order to allow air to flow through the bag so it doesn't pancake the tank. It's a small issue but well worth it for the additional weight.


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              • jondavis08
                Senior Member of PLANETNAUTIQUE
                • May 2016
                • 369

                • Battle Creek, MI

                • 2014 SANTE 210 2003 SANTE 210-Sold

                #22
                Different question.... Has anyone decided to remove the hard tanks on a 2014+? The tanks are a better design but I keep thinking about any extra space would be nice...

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                • Kelly Gummere
                  • Aug 2015
                  • 38

                  • Memphis, TN

                  • 2014 SAN 210

                  #23
                  Originally posted by SupraFly View Post

                  Thanks for the info. It looks like it's an easy install. Not a lot of irreversible drilling...

                  I'd love to know what bow sac you have.

                  Does it take up a lot of the bow storage area?


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                  I have the 400lb triangle bag from ronix. It does take up the whole bow but we don't usually have that many people with us

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                  • tmb
                    Senior Member of PLANETNAUTIQUE
                    • Mar 2004
                    • 616

                    • Midwest

                    • '22 GS 22 ‘12 200

                    #24
                    Originally posted by biggertanks View Post

                    I was looking at doing this to my 2011 210. Two 400 sacs plus bow, are the results not good enough? Is that why you are looking to go up to 750?

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                    I was actually in my boat last night trying to measure the sacs that are on top of my hard tanks and it appears they may be 750's. definitely not 400's. I don't fill them all the way when I'm surfing. It makes the wave too steep and creates a little bow rise. I typically surf with them half full and the belly plus fly high bow sac full. It throws a great wave.

                    I know there are some design differences on the hulls of the new boats compared to mine so I was sure which I should use. I will probably just stick with the 750's since that's what it looks like I have in my 2012.

                    '18 SAN 210 Reef Blue/Admiral Blue Metal Flake
                    '12 SAN 210 TE Black/Masters Blue
                    '09 SAN 210 TE Black/Fury Red
                    '08 Air 216 TE
                    '02 Air 216
                    '98 Sport Nautique
                    '89 MC Prostar 190

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                    • Shockthis
                      • Mar 2013
                      • 302

                      • Christina Lake BC

                      • 2021 centurion ri245

                      #25
                      I run with 750's , tube sac , and bow sac under front seats. Produces a great surf wave for sure.

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                      • Paxdad
                        Senior Member of PLANETNAUTIQUE
                        • Mar 2013
                        • 775

                        • Cumming, GA

                        • 2008 210 SANTE

                        #26
                        On my 08 210 I should have removed the tanks and gone with 750s on each side. I have the 400s and get tired of the lost storage space when full. I have found that less weight in back is better for a progressive wave and more weight in the bow. I have right at 300 # of LeadWake bags that I move around depending on where and how many people are on the boat.


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                        • lucky7t
                          1,000 Post Club Member
                          • Mar 2011
                          • 1306

                          • Oklahoma

                          • 2015 SANTE

                          #27
                          Originally posted by cedarcreek216
                          I have 750's and a tube sac in the ski locker, far from ruins anything.


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                          Ski locker ?

                          That center area in floor ? Mine has tank in it
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                          • cedarcreek216
                            1,000 Post Club Member
                            • Oct 2009
                            • 1009

                            • Dallas, TX

                            • 2018 210 2013 210 2009 216V

                            #28
                            Mine is a 2013 and the center hard tank that is in this locker is U shaped and the tube sac sits right inside the U and fills towards the Bow.


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                            • rlwagens
                              • Feb 2008
                              • 147

                              • Michigan

                              • 2006 SANTE 210

                              #29
                              Just as an update on a detour we took earlier in the thread, I installed the $16 check valve from wakemakers with two tee fittings on my bow bag and it now fills and empties like a dream without any worry of my center take pancaking. I had a little water left over in my bow bag but I think that will be alleviated by changing my quick disconnect at the bag from an elbow to a straight fitting.

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                              • enjoinick
                                • Mar 2017
                                • 55

                                • Land O Lakes, FL

                                • 2019 GS22 Sold - 2007 SV211 Team

                                #30
                                Originally posted by rlwagens View Post
                                Just as an update on a detour we took earlier in the thread, I installed the $16 check valve from wakemakers with two tee fittings on my bow bag and it now fills and empties like a dream without any worry of my center take pancaking. I had a little water left over in my bow bag but I think that will be alleviated by changing my quick disconnect at the bag from an elbow to a straight fitting.
                                Do you have a picture of this configuration you could share?

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