2021 G23 Ballast

[otslade]

Tail- ‘21 G23s are a completely new hull, same as the Paragon without the engine/transmission/weight of the Paragon tower. Thus, the ballast set up is 2200, not 2850 as with older G hulls. That’s why it is different, and why I started this thread because I believe it to be under ballasted. How much underweight seems to be around previous weights, but again, that was a completely different hull. In my G, the spray is not cosmetic - no idea where you got that impression. This is my 3rd G and while I’ve tinkered with weights on the previous ones, the wave in this one is not as clean and there is plenty of good input on the previous page to address that. I’m currently on a trip and look forward to running it / testing more next week, but in my experiences, all G23s do better with weight at the foot of the tower and aft (coffins) vice fully aft (in the aft lockers). All boats behave a little different, but that’s what I found on my ‘17 and ‘19-so I think I’ve got a pretty good understanding of what NSS is (and does). As to my ‘21, I don’t have it just right yet but I’m closer than I was when we started.

any update? Have you learned anything new?

[greggmck]

I would speculate that the reason the Paragon has less ballast than the prior G23 was because maximum weight of the Paragon would exceed safe limits with the prior ballast, full fuel, gear and max people on board. Nautique would not want the Paragon to be certified for fewer people than the G.

With a much heavier boat ballast probably had to be reduced. Reducing ballast was probably an easy decision because the surf wave was fantastic even with less ballast than the prior generation G.

Then when Nautique used that platform for the G it was "easier/cheaper/faster" to keep the same ballast configuration. Perhaps they will be motivated to fix this in future generation G boats. But it's not like being under ballasted is hurting G23 sales so don't hold your breath...

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[amorin56]

Hi Greg - thanks for your thoughts on this as you clearly have exceptional pedigree in this area - this definitely puts my mind at ease knowing that im not goin to have to go to great lengths to slam it to get the ultimate result - but what im understanding is that the GEN3 simply just needs the old stock ballast setup of 2850 and it would be perfect -give or take a few lead bags- which would be perfect for my long haul application.
I have ordered it on a triple axle due to the regular travel distance so minimal lead will be fine i just didn't want rely on lead - So based on this Im stil wondering if there is room under the floor for the bigger bags ? clearly the GEN3 hull is massive has anyone got any build pics of the lower deck before the top skin goes on to see the construction layout compared to the old mould? as then all would stil run perfectly from a factory perspective without the added drama of filling locker bags for me
there must be a reason Nautique dropped the stock ballast and this is clearly an issue with the wave performance on the G

I specifically asked the question on the Nautique owner Facebook page and found https://www.facebook.com/leland.suttonjr has done some experimenting with subfloor bags. He sent me a few pictures and there is in fact lots of room to piggy back off the stock bags.


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[blufly]

Amorin56 - Dude this is music to my ears As this is by Far the best option IMO , I don't have facebook so is there any chance you can PM me the info and the images he sent you - as im very interested in heading in this direction

[nohlan_4]

I specifically asked the question on the Nautique owner Facebook page and found https://www.facebook.com/leland.suttonjr has done some experimenting with subfloor bags. He sent me a few pictures and there is in fact lots of room to piggy back off the stock bags.


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Yeah the link is just to someone’s page. Not the Facebook post.


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[amorin56]

Amorin56 - Dude this is music to my ears As this is by Far the best option IMO , I don't have facebook so is there any chance you can PM me the info and the images he sent you - as im very interested in heading in this direction

Just sent a few pictures which he shared with me.


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[blufly]

Yip primo bro / thanks for sending those thru - it looks like the bag voids are as large as the old models so looks very promising to simply switch out the Stock bags - I would expect this would be very similar with the front bag location also - this then gains back the missing stock ballast that the gen3 G needs -
does anyone know if the timer can be managed on the link to extend pump duration or just simple double tap like a piggy back setup

[nohlan_4]

Yip primo bro / thanks for sending those thru - it looks like the bag voids are as large as the old models so looks very promising to simply switch out the Stock bags - I would expect this would be very similar with the front bag location also - this then gains back the missing stock ballast that the gen3 G needs -
does anyone know if the timer can be managed on the link to extend pump duration or just simple double tap like a piggy back setup

Can you post the pics? Knowledge for everyone is power!


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[blufly]

[blufly]

Havnt uploaded pics b4 do hope that worked
looks like there is slot of space forward of the bag access panel but also more room aft
Looks really promising - so really a simple fix for nautique - same bag as previous.......

[nohlan_4]

Havnt uploaded pics b4 do hope that worked
looks like there is slot of space forward of the bag access panel but also more room aft
Looks really promising - so really a simple fix for nautique - same bag as previous.......

Yup that worked. Hard really to tell from the pics. The cavity isn’t identical to the old G. Looks shorter in height to me. Also that pic of the room is ahead of the current bag fully stretch out? Hard to believe there is that much room ahead of the bag.


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[blufly]

Yip based on the hatch location there looks like a lot of available real estate there - midship sounds like ideal location and would balance the G more towards the P’s weight distribution

[nohlan_4]

Yea interesting for sure I haven’t poked around a new one enough. If it’s true would make it easy to put new bags in.


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[blufly]

Potential bag draining issue from the front section due the the structural hull rib below the hatch but some creative plumbing can prob get around that
looks like an ideal location to also put lead that is out of the way for the ones that don’t need to trailer there boats

[otslade]

Potential bag draining issue from the front section due the the structural hull rib below the hatch but some creative plumbing can prob get around that
looks like an ideal location to also put lead that is out of the way for the ones that don’t need to trailer there boats

Probably a dumb question but how would you keep the lead in place, looks like lead bags would just slide around? Newbie here