Nautique Releases G23 Paragon

[Kenv]

Yeah Wayward ....see Jeff's comment. Stick that in your peace pipe and smoke it. I kid...I kid. We can all discuss all the numbers we want on here. Some of those guessing questions will be answered in a year or so.

[NautiqueJeff]

It is certainly likely that this boat will be just as much of a failure as Pavati and the Malibu M235 have been. If it is, they will sell 30 of them. We don’t need to further discuss if that number will be 49 or 200.

Well, I know for sure that they will sell more than that. In fact, it may or may not have already happened!

[Wayward]

All comments about the high price and lack of value I think are missing the point. While we all agree the price is very high. We must also remember that Nautique is a BUSINESS. That means they are not a charity existing to make each and every one of our dreams come true. As a business they have introduced a new "high-end" boat and have priced it very high because: 1) They don't want to crater their existing G23 franchise, one which is very profitability selling all the boats they can build. 2) They almost certainly lack significant manufacturing capacity for the Paragon compared to the G23. Therefore pricing it lower would be a poor business decision because they would be unable to satisfy demand. 3) There are many new technologies in this new boat that will become more cost effective as production volume increases. Much of this new technology will almost certainly trickle down into the standard G23 over time. This is a good thing! 4) Finally, they can always discount the price if demand and supply are imbalanced. This is always preferable to attempting to raise the price later because they priced it too low and were unable to meet demand.

Sure......... but this boat isn’t even as much of a game changer as when the original G came out, and at least they priced that one at a relative level to its actual competition. They didn’t bill it up 100k over that mark.

so, while you are correct about everything you said, there is another side to that coin. The other side is that the faithful G customers that want to upgrade their boat, are going to be stuck with a design that is VERY “long in the tooth” at this point. They will feel a little betrayed that Nautique didn’t feel like pushing the design forward on the current boat, and instead only gave them a choice that is a full 50% more expensive, and well above the price of all other choices.

So they are stuck with three choices-
1- buy another boat that was designed nearly a decade ago, and is no longer superior to all of its competition, and feels/looks/performs/smells/tastes just like the boat they replaced.
2- spend 100k more for a boat that should have replaced the current G23.
3- buy another brand that performs just as well, but doesn’t have an ugly telescoping tower (which is definitely kinda cool), and no flip out lawn chairs on the back (Unless they go MC)

just because the “business” can do something, doesn’t always necessarily mean they should. It is certainly likely that this boat will be just as much of a failure as Pavati and the Malibu M235 have been. If it is, they will sell 30 of them. We don’t need to further discuss if that number will be 49 or 200.

At the same time, who knows, maybe they will sell a bunch of them....... until we hit the impending recession.

[nautiquegeek]

All comments about the high price and lack of value I think are missing the point. While we all agree the price is very high. We must also remember that Nautique is a BUSINESS. That means they are not a charity existing to make each and every one of our dreams come true. As a business they have introduced a new "high-end" boat and have priced it very high because: 1) They don't want to crater their existing G23 franchise, one which is very profitability selling all the boats they can build. 2) They almost certainly lack significant manufacturing capacity for the Paragon compared to the G23. Therefore pricing it lower would be a poor business decision because they would be unable to satisfy demand. 3) There are many new technologies in this new boat that will become more cost effective as production volume increases. Much of this new technology will almost certainly trickle down into the standard G23 over time. This is a good thing! 4) Finally, they can always discount the price if demand and supply are imbalanced. This is always preferable to attempting to raise the price later because they priced it too low and were unable to meet demand.

This ^

I spent a lot of time is this boat on and off the water and as Ferris once said, "It is so choice, if you have the means I highly recommend one".

[greggmck]

All comments about the high price and lack of value I think are missing the point. While we all agree the price is very high. We must also remember that Nautique is a BUSINESS. That means they are not a charity existing to make each and every one of our dreams come true. As a business they have introduced a new "high-end" boat and have priced it very high because: 1) They don't want to crater their existing G23 franchise, one which is very profitability selling all the boats they can build. 2) They almost certainly lack significant manufacturing capacity for the Paragon compared to the G23. Therefore pricing it lower would be a poor business decision because they would be unable to satisfy demand. 3) There are many new technologies in this new boat that will become more cost effective as production volume increases. Much of this new technology will almost certainly trickle down into the standard G23 over time. This is a good thing! 4) Finally, they can always discount the price if demand and supply are imbalanced. This is always preferable to attempting to raise the price later because they priced it too low and were unable to meet demand.

[Kenv]

As of now, Nautique has not publicly dedicated a verificatory production number for this unit.

Lol.... I didn't get my number publicly..... Just kidding. You probably know more than I do. My salesman told me 49... That's what I was going off. I'd just like to see enough sold so I see one on my lake someday.

[cwglee51]

ffs 265k and it doesn't come with a heater! It just feels like gouging at this point.

The boat looks amazing, the fit and finishes appear fantastic and are what I would dream for my boat. However, it's a massive turn off to see all that work put into a top of the line boat that less than 200 people will get to enjoy. Many of those small details seem like they could have been made available for the standard G series. I very much hope that in future years they are...

[core-rider]

In case you guys are wondering what are options and what is standard, here is the build sheet.

I still cannot believe items like Phender Pro aren’t standard on any of these new boats... and a boat like this should definitely come standard with them!!! $8000 for a couple subs and I assume 1 amp!?! There’s a special breed of people who will buy this thing... and I’m not one of them! ♂️♂️


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[ScooterMcgavin]

$8070.00 for the wake sub option? Everything in that option list should be standard, even then I’m not seeing where the extra 100k in pricing came from. Seems ridiculous for sure.
Great looking boat, just way off on price point.

[Wayward]

In case you guys are wondering what are options and what is standard, here is the build sheet.

$320k All Day!!

In all seriousness though...…. They should have just thrown in all those options and just priced it at $290k...…

But even then, you still gotta add a trailer

[nautiquegeek]

Where did you hear 200? I'm calling bull...and stick with my original number...49...from a reliable source. They will not sell 200 of these....I'll bet you.

As of now, Nautique has not publicly dedicated a verificatory production number for this unit.

[Bottlefedsi]

In case you guys are wondering what are options and what is standard, here is the build sheet.

[NautiqueJeff]

In think the “shift”at the beginning was more throttle/driver line related because they knew he wasn’t gonna be throwing down til they got turned around. It’s a weird start from that dock. The pass isn’t long enough to get anything in til they do the turn around. Once he starts ripping the wake evens out nicely like it should.

The boat was pretty loaded. Full ballast and there were about fourteen of us in the boat. Considering the weight that engine was pushing, I think it formed up quickly. People weight was a little biased toward port, but nobody switched seats. I slid over just a bit in the seat next to the driver when we took off from the dock.

[NautiqueJeff]

This was stated at the dealer sales meeting at callaway gardens. I have received all my information directly from a dealer who is attending the sales summit. I would imagine they will take orders past the 200 but i was told that is their 2020 goal.

I was at Callaway for the event.

[c640947]

Has anyone thought about the impact to sales by the fact that at 7400 lbs plus now an almost mandatory triple axle trailer...fuel, gear, you're well north of 10k towing weight. Who's buying this that doesn't also own a lake house and never tows?

There are plenty of lakes people use that do not allow houses and people tow to them. Then there are also people who use it at their lake house and local house and tow back and forth (some pretty far distances too.)

As mentioned in the megathread about towing a G23, you should not tow a G with a regular half ton pickup. You need a substantial machine to tow them and this paragon will be near 10,000 lbs on the trailer, getting to be a dangerous amount of weight to tow around if not done properly.

Either way, i hope they offer from the factory some sort of electric over hydraulic option for the brakes. I put one aftermarket on mine and it is awesome for towing. But most importantly its SAFE.