New Model coming in October?

[charlesml3]

Agree. And the M235 has already killed itself. It's not exactly a runaway success.

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Ha! ha! Fair enough. I really wonder if this boat is going to come in at $300K. That seems unreal to me.

-Charles

[idahosan]

M235 is dead because Bu is releasing the M240 in a couple weeks. Supposed to be way north of 200k+ and that's all I know as of now.

[greggmck]

M235 is dead because Bu is releasing the M240 in a couple weeks. Supposed to be way north of 200k+ and that's all I know as of now.

My point is this: I live near a very large Malibu dealer, I travel across the country to compete in wake surf competitions including Worlds, I know an extended network of competitive and pro surfers and I don't know a SINGLE accomplished surfer who owns an M235. That's not exactly a runaway success as a top tier surf boat.

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[idahosan]

My point is this: I live near a very large Malibu dealer, I travel across the country to compete in wake surf competitions including Worlds, I know an extended network of competitive and pro surfers and I don't know a SINGLE accomplished surfer who owns an M235. That's not exactly a runaway success as a top tier surf boat.

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For sure. I was just adding to that.

[Evening Shade]

Yes $300K is absurd! Of course, 10 years ago I said $100K was absurd for a wake boat.

Even Apple has realized that we have reached the price limit on what the cell phone market will bear. Thus, the IPhone 11 is less expensive than the IPhone X. Boat manufacturers need to see this coming as well, or maybe they are content with selling fewer boats at much higher prices (that approach is probably more recession proof).

[Nautiquehunter]

Secret spy photo of the new boat . Its said to have everything including the kitchen sink. No extra ballast needed since it has a dry weight of 100 tons . The design makes overnight stays easy and with the 32 thrusters docking is a breeze.

[Nautiquehunter]

Its gotten to the point where I don't even know these boats anymore . I bought a new 210 to surf in 08 since then the price of the boat has doubled. I question the reliability and longevity of the high tech electronics especially since they couldn't get the hour meter to go past 9999 on my boat. This surfing craze has turned even the people in the know into rude ignorant A$$holes. Surfing ruins the water for all other sports . I don't have a problem with it if done with a little common sense and courtesy . Lake Lanier is 37000 acres yet the surf ships have to come into every quiet ski cove and tear it up . The builders are only taking advantage of the latest fad . If you are silly enough to spend 200k plus on a surf boat you either have way too much money of way too little common sense.

[Kmayotte]

they couldn't get the hour meter to go past 9999 on my boat.

You put 10,000 hours on your boat?

[core-rider]

Yes $300K is absurd! Of course, 10 years ago I said $100K was absurd for a wake boat.

Even Apple has realized that we have reached the price limit on what the cell phone market will bear. Thus, the IPhone 11 is less expensive than the IPhone X. Boat manufacturers need to see this coming as well, or maybe they are content with selling fewer boats at much higher prices (that approach is probably more recession proof).

Actually the iPhone 11 is basically the IPhone 10XR... The new IPhone 11 Pro and ProMax are basically the iPhone X... it's all just marketing to make people think the phones got less expensive... read the tech specs and it quite easy to see the wool pulled over your eyes.

Back to the OP topic...

I do think the price of new boats is absolutely RIDICULOUS!!! That's why I still own my 2003 SANTE and will keep owning it! I have seen nothing that would make me think otherwise... If I really want to get a pull behind one of these new boats I ask a friend or dealer for a pull... I don't really surf so I could care less about making the largest surf wave and I can do everything behind my boat I can do on these other boats on a wakeboard (maybe just a bit less high in the air) with much less cost! If a person wants to spend that kinda money on a boat have at it... doesn't bother me one bit, but all these folks complaining about boat prices, while at the same time filling out an order form for a new boat need to better adjust their thinking. Prices will continue to increase until buyers refuse to spend that much! So far that hasn't happened so you can't really complain about any manufacturer taking advantage or the market high!

[Evening Shade]

Actually the iPhone 11 is basically the IPhone 10XR... The new IPhone 11 Pro and ProMax are basically the iPhone X... it's all just marketing to make people think the phones got less expensive... read the tech specs and it quite easy to see the wool pulled over your eyes.

Back to the OP topic...

I do think the price of new boats is absolutely RIDICULOUS!!! That's why I still own my 2003 SANTE and will keep owning it! I have seen nothing that would make me think otherwise... If I really want to get a pull behind one of these new boats I ask a friend or dealer for a pull... I don't really surf so I could care less about making the largest surf wave and I can do everything behind my boat I can do on these other boats on a wakeboard (maybe just a bit less high in the air) with much less cost! If a person wants to spend that kinda money on a boat have at it... doesn't bother me one bit, but all these folks complaining about boat prices, while at the same time filling out an order form for a new boat need to better adjust their thinking. Prices will continue to increase until buyers refuse to spend that much! So far that hasn't happened so you can't really complain about any manufacturer taking advantage or the market high!

I'm just going by what I heard on one of shows on MSNBC.

[nautiquegeek]

I was told the price would be around the 280k mark.

I am very interested in where you have heard this information?

[greggmck]

I too have heard rumors of nearly a $300K price tag. But I would not get too wrapped up about that. Its very difficult to imagine adding sufficient, justified cost to the current G23 to increase the price that much so it's more likely to be an inflated MSRP which can be a marketing ploy to gain attention for the new boat. That said the market will dictate the selling price of the boat. Current Gs have a 40%+ mark-up over dealer invoice. A $210 MSRP G can sell for about $160K in competitive markets. It's difficult to imagine the new boat selling for much more than $200K in most markets.

Finally, we just returned from the Wake Surf World Championships in Utah. I spoke to Nautique owners about the new boat. Many were concerned that it would be difficult to justify a much more expensive surf boat than the G23 especially in the market supported by competitive surfers. Most of us have surfed every good surf boat and the wave simply does not get that much better than the best of the best (Centurion RI257, Fi257, G23, MasterCraft X24, Supra SE, Supreme ZS232, etc) so accomplished surfers are unlikely to spend that much more on a surf boat because of the wave, especially if the boat becomes a unicorn like the M235 which is NOT used in any meaningful way in competitive surfing. And I believe competitive surfers have significant influence on the general market. In fact the only reason competitive surfing exists (it costs $20,000 to $100,000 to fund an event paid for largely by the boat manufacturers) is to sell their boats to the public that come to watch.

[72Miles]

I seriously don't know where it stops. You could theoretically create a North Shore type wave, given a big/heavy enough boat with the right technology. But what will you do the lakes with bigger waves. We (surf boats) are already hated by everyone but other surfers.

[greggmck]

I seriously don't know where it stops. You could theoretically create a North Shore type wave, given a big/heavy enough boat with the right technology. But what will you do the lakes with bigger waves. We (surf boats) are already hated by everyone but other surfers.

It's not really about how big the wave is, but about length, push and shape. Skim riders want a flatter rampy wave. A better skim wave can be found on other boats (Centurion and Malibu) come to mind. Nautique has been loosing this market opportunity for years. In addition surfers have to add weight and reduce NCRS to flatten the wave yet increase push and length. Nautique hasn't changed the ballast and surf system in 5+ years. It's time for an update. Where will it end? When the market no longer supports the boat.

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[wakerider107]

I seriously don't know where it stops. You could theoretically create a North Shore type wave, given a big/heavy enough boat with the right technology. But what will you do the lakes with bigger waves. We (surf boats) are already hated by everyone but other surfers.

It's a growing problem in many states. Bans and restrictions are popping up and the groups legislating for this are gaining momentum. We are slowly going to ruin our own sports availability.