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  • Nando23
    • Jun 2017
    • 24

    • Seattle

    • 2016 G21

    #16
    It certainly helps having low expectations... let's demand more!

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    • swc5150
      1,000 Post Club Member
      • May 2008
      • 2240

      • Eau Claire, WI

      • MasterCraft Prostar

      #17
      Originally posted by Nando23 View Post
      When was the last time you saw these on a car? 25 year ago maybe? Here they are telling us: We are so sloppy manufacturing this thing that there might be debris inside your engine. Just to be safe, change the oil as soon as possible - no, even better, get the dealer do it for you for $300
      I was with you until seeing this. That's a bummer that the V Drive went out, and it took so long to repair. CC may be able to compensate you somehow on that one? But, the oil change requirement is consistent with what you'd see from all of the tow boat companies. I guess I'm not sure what your beef is with changing out the break in oil?

      Again, that sucks that you lost out on so much summer with a tranny repair, but going after CC for a buy back for it? That'll be an uphill battle.
      '08 196LE (previous)
      '07 196LE (previous)
      2 - '06 196SE's (previous)

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      • functionoverfashion
        Senior Member of PLANETNAUTIQUE
        • Jun 2017
        • 511

        • New Hampshire

        • 2003 SANTE

        #18

        Originally posted by whitecaps View Post
        The number of boats made comes no where close to the auto industry and for that you can't compare the two.
        You also don't get two manuals with your Camry because Toyota makes the engine, too - Correct Craft doesn't make your engine. Most boats come with two manuals, if not three (one for the trailer).

        I, too, am curious what you mean by damaged battery and what, specifically, went wrong with the heater.

        I think you'll find helpful advice here if you care to discuss these issues in detail. But also as whitecaps suggested, discussing them, calmly, in detail, with your dealer, is the shortest path to a resolution. Certainly being armed with information gathered here or elsewhere may help you navigate the situation and with that we are happy to help.

        As I said earlier, a lemon law usually only applies with an issue that remains unresolved after multiple repair attempts. This does not appear to be the case here.

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        • blueroom
          Senior Member of PLANETNAUTIQUE
          • Mar 2017
          • 623

          • Northwest

          • G23

          #19
          Other sport engines require different oil for break-in. They often use non-synthetic oil for the break-in period so the rings get a good seat. Once broken in, you switch to synthetic for better wear over time.

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          • Guntersville230
            Senior Member of PLANETNAUTIQUE
            • Aug 2015
            • 419

            • Guntersville, AL

            • 2015 SAN 230

            #20
            I would say the first few hours on these boats is the most frustrating part. I had two electrical/computer issues happen within the first 25 hrs......since then all has been OK and I am at 135 hrs on a 2015. (knock on wood)

            First, the v-drive issue is a DEFINITE bummer and not the norm, so sorry that happened to you and messed with the season as well as started things off on a bad note.

            The heater issue (I know you will be pissed with me) but that's somewhat an "on you" situation. I know the v-drive has put you on high alert, and I know there are 2 different manuals.....BUT if you are doing your own service its kinda on you to perform due diligence (which sounds like is the case...IF dealer winterized it and DIDN'T do this then YES I would be highly pissed). I do my own service and posted tons of questions on here prior to doing it and I even called my dealer, ask what all needed to be done, I even call/txt a picture while in the process to ask questions and they responded and did it myself!

            Just my $0.02....I can understand frustrations and I am not trying to add more anger to the situation. But, I do also agree, that expressing your frustrations with all the things to your dealer and CC as a company may help get things going and help resolve issues...or if for nothing better get you someone/something to vent to. My feeling/hope would be that after these initial things are worked out things will be much more smooth sailing (as has been my case).

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            • blueroom
              Senior Member of PLANETNAUTIQUE
              • Mar 2017
              • 623

              • Northwest

              • G23

              #21
              There are sometimes a few little things with any motorsports product. We are having a blast with our boat, and love it, and my guess is that any little issues we may have will be taken care of and will be good from there on out.
              Last edited by blueroom; 08-22-2017, 08:04 PM.

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              • swc5150
                1,000 Post Club Member
                • May 2008
                • 2240

                • Eau Claire, WI

                • MasterCraft Prostar

                #22
                So because Wikipedia says "in general", people don't need to break in their engines, CC must have QC issues with their engines? It's going to be tough gaining the support of this community with comments like that. I get that you're upset. You spent a TON of money on a boat that you feel should be trouble-free...and rightfully so. I've owned 4 CC's, and never experience a single problem. You just got extremely unlucky with the tranny issue.
                '08 196LE (previous)
                '07 196LE (previous)
                2 - '06 196SE's (previous)

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                • st68
                  • Feb 2014
                  • 210

                  • Roswell, Georgia


                  #23
                  This might be a legit person but it smells a little fishy.... June 2017 member with a 16 G21... not saying this is a troll but I would be cautious to take the bait of this post. Nautiques are by far the most high quality wake boats made. Made by humans and subject to some mistakes but that list seems a little excessive. If true we know Nautique stands behind their product 100%.

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                  • Bevostein
                    Senior Member of PLANETNAUTIQUE
                    • Jun 2008
                    • 523

                    • Frisco, TX

                    • 2021 G23 2019 G23 (Sold) 2013 G25 550XR (Sold) 2009 216V (Sold)

                    #24
                    Break in procedures are common on boats and other recreational vehicles. My 2015 Yamaha jet ski had a break in procedures. Marine and recreational manufacturers (even as big as Yamaha) do not have the scale and scope to do break in like auto manufacturers. Yes it would be nice if they did but given its the industry standard I think your bound to be disappointed no matter who you bought your boat from. Multiple manuals is also standard in the boating industry. I find it inconsistent that you criticize the boats for being all about the flash and eye candy yet you complain that the manual is too plain.

                    Good luck with your V-drive. Its failure and the timing of it are certainly disappointing. Based on the few times you hear about V drive failure on here I would argue its the exception and not representative of an overall quality issue. Elevate your concerns to CC if your dealer isn't being responsive.

                    Don't get me wrong, I am not a fanboy who wont admit to CC needing to focus on things. The stereos in these things suck, they had an issue with shafts early on with the Gs, Pebble is a fiasco, spray on pre2016 Gs should have been identified in hull testing, took too long to roll out clamping board racks. Definitely room for improvement but I think as compared to others Nautique quality is as good or better

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                    • migs
                      Senior Member of PLANETNAUTIQUE
                      • Aug 2008
                      • 704

                      • San Mateo, CA

                      • SAN 210 TE

                      #25
                      Bummer you are experiencing these issues, especially on a Nautique.
                      Out of curiosity, is this your first boat?
                      Migs

                      G21 - En route
                      SAN 210 TE (Finally)
                      06 Sky Supreme V220(previous)
                      05 Sanger V210(previous)
                      01 MC X1(previous)
                      99 Air Warrior(previous)

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                      • Nando23
                        • Jun 2017
                        • 24

                        • Seattle

                        • 2016 G21

                        #26
                        I am a real person! Thanks all for your comments. Don't think I am a statistically insignificant case. Maybe among visitors to this board. The v-drive was a recall btw affecting many boats. I have heard many complaints about the G's 2016 release. My point is not to accept crap just because is widely delivered in the industry. Not to lower our expectations. Again, I will try to communicate directly to N's CEO - for what is worth...

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                        • Nando23
                          • Jun 2017
                          • 24

                          • Seattle

                          • 2016 G21

                          #27
                          This is my second Nautique. First was a 2003 Air that gave me TONS of pains. This is why I decided to upgrade last year...

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                          • Evening Shade
                            1,000 Post Club Member
                            • Apr 2015
                            • 1295

                            • Martinez, GA/Lake Greenwood, SC

                            • 2017 GS20 Previous: 2011 SAN 210, 2007 Malibu Wakesetter 23LSV, 1995 Cobalt 200

                            #28
                            Originally posted by Nando23 View Post
                            This is my second Nautique. First was a 2003 Air that gave me TONS of pains. This is why I decided to upgrade last year...
                            Just out of curiosity, what made you stay with Nautique if your first Nautique gave you so much trouble?

                            I understand what you are saying. Wake/water sports boats need to be very durable because they get used hard even by those of us who take really good care of our boats.

                            My first wake boat was a Malibu and that boat was much better when I sold it with 400 hours on it than when it was new because I fixed and upgraded all the weak parts that broke on it. My second wake boat was a 2011 210 that I bought used from a dealer. Test drive went great then took it to my home lake on the same day as the test drive and it overheated and shredded the impeller which was supposedly brand new according to the dealer. I thought the dealer was going to try to put the blame on me by saying I started and ran it out of the water, but they backed off of that. That boat then developed a slow oil leak that couldn't be identified so I traded it in on my current GS20. I hope that my luck is better with the GS20.

                            2007 Malibu Wakesetter 23 LSV, 1995 Cobalt 200

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                            • functionoverfashion
                              Senior Member of PLANETNAUTIQUE
                              • Jun 2017
                              • 511

                              • New Hampshire

                              • 2003 SANTE

                              #29
                              Originally posted by Nando23 View Post
                              This is my second Nautique. First was a 2003 Air that gave me TONS of pains. This is why I decided to upgrade last year...
                              What kinds of problems did you have with the 2003 Air? Sure, there are plenty of things that can go wrong with it, but places like this forum are full of solutions. Boats are part toy, part hobby, whether you buy new or used.

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                              • xxrb2010
                                • Jan 2014
                                • 226

                                • nc


                                #30
                                Originally posted by Nando23 View Post
                                I am a real person! Thanks all for your comments. Don't think I am a statistically insignificant case. Maybe among visitors to this board. The v-drive was a recall btw affecting many boats. I have heard many complaints about the G's 2016 release. My point is not to accept crap just because is widely delivered in the industry. Not to lower our expectations. Again, I will try to communicate directly to N's CEO - for what is worth...
                                I heard that too on the 2016 series, this is why I advise you to contact Nautique directly and asked for a buy back or what they would offer to you if your boat has too many issues. You will be better off presenting your claims with proof to nautique that anyone on this forum.

                                From Nautique's reputation, if you claims are warranted, they should offer something to you. However, be gentle when you write this letter. Write a draft version, let it cool for a few days, re read it and change it. Insulting the company will not be in your best interest. Be factual, do not assume you know more than they do about manufacturing quality, just state the facts, show the proof, and express your opinion that you are dissatisfied with the boat as it does not live up to what the brand and dealer sold you. That's it: fact, proof, one sentence about your disatisfaction.

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