216 or 210???

[AbunDiga909]

Hey, my dad is interested in getting a new Nautique...however, we are not sure which one to get. Our family and friends hydrofoil most of the time, but still have a bit of classic slalom skiing in. What we really want to know is how much of a bigger wake the 210 is. (including ballast) Is it really worth getting a v-drive for that extra wake? If so, I would only be able to slalom behind my uncle's old Ski Nautique, which isn't bad, but it would be nice to be able to hydrofoil and slalom behind the same boat. Your info and oppinion would be appreciated. Thanks a lot!
~Austin E.

[skinautique]

go with the 216 and stock ballast. The 210 puts out a very vertical wake. You can ski behind the 210 but it just isn't optimal. The wakes are pretty steep and a little bit harder at skiing speeds. Best thing to do is test drive both of them.

[MarkP]

I think the best thing to do is to drive & ski both boats!!
Dealers have Demo days, I would never buy a boat without
driving or sking first I speak from experince!! 216 is a more
universal family boat. The 210 hardcore wakeboard boat, I
am a hardcore slalom skier I would not ski behind a 210
period. Just like a hardcore wake boarder would not board beyond
a ski!! Remember you can always add weight to a 216 for more wake,
but the wake of the 210 is there to stay!!

[wake_fun]

You can ski behind the 210 without ballast. There is a bigger bump there to cross. I have a Super Sport which is basically the same and I've skied behind it. I've only skied behind it once, and for my recreational skiing it was fine. I've had other people ski behind it fine. If you are a total skier that likes to one hand cut and fly across the wake at 50mph, then it isn't a wake you would want. I like the v-drive because it is nice for family and friends to be sitting all together without that **** engine in my way like in a direct drive. I actually have a picture of a 210's wake at 30-32 mph if you would like to see it. I took it when I went for a test drive. Email me and let me know.

[AbunDiga909]

I like what someone said about the idea of testdriving both...but we've already done that. however. the only person who did anything behind the boat was my uncle who was a hardcore slalom skier. he obviously liked the 216 more...on the other hand, i hydrofoil most of the time so is the bigger wake of the 210 really worth sacrafising the slalom wake?
Right now, we are leaning towards the 216...we just dont wanna "grow out" of the wake if we get inverted and the wake be too small for us. Thanks again...this really helps... :D
~Austin E.

[skiinxs]

Never buy a boat without a test drive, glad you already did that. I don't know why you think you need a wakeboard boats huge wake to foil with. Most of the really good foilers I have seen don't even need the wake.
Dave

[AbunDiga909]

I agree totally with skiinxs. That is why we are leaning towards the 216. Thanks again.
~Austin E.

[Hollywood]

I'd go with the 216. You can always add more weight for foiling, but can't go the opposite direction like MarkP said. Do you seriously need the BEST wake out there for your needs? I'm sure you can get the wake on a 216 past your ability level anyways.

[AbunDiga909]

I agree with Hollywood also. Thanks again to everybody.
~Austin E.

[NautiqueChick]

Well I have an 01 Air Nautique, which is basically the same boat as the 216. The reason we went with the Air was because my dad skis sometimes and I wakeboard. We have around 1100lbs of ballast in it right now and it throws an awesome wake, nice and big! My dad took all the weight out a couple of days ago and went skiing and he said the ski wake was real nice. You can't go wrong with either boat though, good luck!

[skinautique]

Just for clarification, the 216 is different from the air and sport nautiques (before they started putting the number on the side of the boat). The 216 has the tsc2 hull with the newer interior layout. the sport and air have the tsc hull under them with a different interior layout. any sport with the sloped back had the 90-96 ski hull under it and the next generation without a sloped back was a tsc hull.

[NautiqueChick]

Thanks for the info skinautique. I have asked some people before if the Air and the 216 are the same boat and they pretty much said they were. I kinda figured they were and they just renamed it the 216, but anyway thanks for clearing that up!

[AbunDiga909]

This is very strange but i guess it makes sense, pretty much everybody at wakeboarder.com says i should go with the 210...i guess they aren't really into slaloming...makes sense...

**** this is a hard decision.... :? :? :?

[Luke]

If you like to ski I would go with the 216. Even with no weight the 210 has a pretty big bump at slalom speeds. I’ve pulled 2 slalom skiers behind my boat and they didn’t like the wake very much at all. You can’t really make a strong cut across the wake because it really launches the skier.

I wouldn’t worry about the foiling aspect, I’ve seen someone at our local lake land flips on a foil with an I/O and a pylon.

From your previous post, it sounds like you can’t do inverts yet. You should be able to learn inverts behind pretty much any boat out there; it is just much more difficult with an I/O and no tower. Pretty much any of the comp level boats have more than a good enough wake to learn inverts on.

Of course the guys on Wakeboarder and WakeWorld are going to say go with the 210. Look at the name of the site. I agree with them, the 210 is a great boat for wakeboarding and is hands down my favorite wakeboard wake.

[AbunDiga909]

I agree luke, but its not now thats the think i'm worried about...i just wonder if when i start doing inverts and flips and all that good stuff will the wake then feel small??? I think that 216 with ballast and tower will be adequate then also...

[Hollywood]

...i just wonder if when i start doing inverts and flips and all that good stuff will the wake then feel small???

No matter what your skill level, do you 'need' the absolute BEST wake boat there is? The obvious compromise is the 216. If and when you get that good, the less wake you'll need to do your tricks anyways.

[AbunDiga909]

Thats all true... but its not so much a matter of needing the best of the best wake....its more of on my personal scale. i probably wont need it, but... i have hydrofoiled behind some boats that i thought of as havng a "too" small a wake. not only do i not want that... but i just dont want it to get to the point where i feel i could use the 210 or a bigger wake...but i'm convinced now that that will not happen. I can see you people are leaning toward the 216. i find this ironic because our local dealer and some others say that they sell about out of the two boats... 60% are 210s and 40% are 216s...and if not that..more are 210s...

[NautiqueChick]

If you put a decent amount of ballast in the 216 it will throw a great wake, I wouldn't worry about the wake being too small. And if you think the wake is too small then just put some more weight in there...

[Hollywood]

i find this ironic because our local dealer and some others say that they sell about out of the two boats... 60% are 210s and 40% are 216s...and if not that..more are 210s...

I don't. The most popular watersport is probably wakeboarding these days. In with the wakeboard, out with the slalom.

[AbunDiga909]

i find this ironic because our local dealer and some others say that they sell about out of the two boats... 60% are 210s and 40% are 216s...and if not that..more are 210s...


I don't. The most popular watersport is probably wakeboarding these days. In with the wakeboard, out with the slalom.

Let me make it a little clearer...I agree that wakeboarding is the major water sport out there...that why like 12 people out of 15 say i should get the 210.... only one of those 15 people say i should get the 216. What i find ironic is that practially everybody on this site is saying go with the 216...but when i think about it,,,we are all talking about one situation... That one situation is not common.

Also...I'm not a big fan of adding after market ballast...i just think it ruins the clean look of the boat.... unless it is abosolutely nessisary...i would use aftermarked ballast as a last resort....

[Luke]

I haven't ridden behind any boat that I thought the stock ballast was sufficient. That includes my 210.

[Edwin]

Abun - since your dad is buying the boat, which one does he want? Given that you're not the one writing the check his input is somewhat important.

[AbunDiga909]

The whole point of this topic is to find out which boats he/i want. We really haven't made a solid decision...its really hard...plus...i'm the one skiing... we do all the "boat shopping" and stuff together...i've been into boats since i was about 4 ish and knew what i was talking about 6/7 ish...so i'm a pretty devoted nautique fan..i'm 14 now....He doesn't ski anymore...hes tought me to drive cars and boats when i was four starting on his lap.. and now i'm a certified boat driver...better than most people... I once test drove a boat in 99 and the dealer was totally shocked by how good i drove....Its a good skill to have... but for whoever said they've never found sufficient stock ballast.... explain..this is interesting... Thanks again.... i'm sure if you really feel strong about it you can maybe get CC to at least hear about what you think...

[Edwin]

No need to get defensive my man, was just posing a question. You bring up a new twist to this that I don't feel should be overlooked. You said dad doesn't ski anymore. What characteristics does HE want in a boat? If he's more interested in a riding / hanging out boat, the 210 is a better option.

[AbunDiga909]

No need to get defensive my man, was just posing a question. You bring up a new twist to this that I don't feel should be overlooked. You said dad doesn't ski anymore. What characteristics does HE want in a boat? If he's more interested in a riding / hanging out boat, the 210 is a better option.Sorry i think i gave the wrong idea...i'm not getting defensive at all.... i just didn't want to start getting the wrong point across so i figured if i was going to explain everythign i might as well get it done then...Ya i no its just a question...i didn't take it more than anything more....And when i found out about this site...i thougth it was a "dream site come true."(dont worry i have a little bit of a life) i mean i would always talk with my dad about what CC should do and what they shouldn't...and i always thought were the only people who thought about that stuff so when i found out that other people thought the same thing i thought that was cool. Then i figured if the whole site felt strognly about something...like stock ballast...maybe we as a site could get CC to do something...instead of just listening to SeaWorld... Again...i'm not being defensife ....just want to clarify that so i dont get the wrong ponit across...I gotta go study for a vocab test tom. thanks again :!: :D [/b]