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    Put in 4 JL cabin speakers and a new Clarion 608 head unit. Before putting the coming pads back on I tested to make sure everything (spkrs and LEDs) were working. Yup, good to go. Put all the seats back in and all that (96 SS) and it took some work an of course I zip tied everything up nice and neat, yay. However, I think I may have wired all the MX650s out of phase. Question is, I don't think it hurts anything but I feel like the sound is a bit hollow and the woofers really seem to be non-existent. I know this isn't a sub but I'm super disappointed. The tweeter has posts already wired up, so I think if they were all out of phase it would just sound "off", am I crazy or is this a discinct possibility? No there is not an amp at this time (there will be) and yes I know this was pretty stupid of me just looking for what some of you audio guys might say to confirm my suspicions. Won't check it until this weekend but it's been bothering me.

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    If all the speakes are out of phase then thats ok, its considered 180 degrees out of phase, meaning all speaker excursions are going in instead of out. If you have one or more out of phase and not all thats bad, It will cancel most speakers out and there will be little to no base at all. This will not damage anything but will sound horrible.

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    • #3
      If each speaker is a homerun to the amp, phase is easy to fix at the amp. If a speaker is wired to another speaker, then wired to the amp, then you have to go back to out of phase speaker and correct.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by MLA View Post
        If each speaker is a homerun to the amp, phase is easy to fix at the amp. If a speaker is wired to another speaker, then wired to the amp, then you have to go back to out of phase speaker and correct.
        For now each speaker is individual to the head unit (no amp yet) and now I'm kicking myself because that would be simple to fix. I think if I cut the zip ties I can swap the wires on the back of the speaker and see if it sounds better. I'm trying to avoid pulling all the panels off again but that might be what I do. The main issue is the tweeters are wired in factory and was thinking if they were out of phase it might be messing up the crossover or something. I don't know, just know it sounds like poop (of course it's head unit power) but man the 20 year old Clarions sounded better.

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        • #5
          Head unit is your amp, all be it a small one, so the fix is still the same.

          Did this boat by chance have components, as it remote tweeter from the woofer? if so, did you remove the external cross-over or just connect your new speakers to leads that came off the old mid-bass woofer?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by MLA View Post
            Head unit is your amp, all be it a small one, so the fix is still the same.

            Did this boat by chance have components, as it remote tweeter from the woofer? if so, did you remove the external cross-over or just connect your new speakers to leads that came off the old mid-bass woofer?
            Nope they were the original coaxials. There has to be an issue that's causing zero bass/midbass even with a head unit driving them. I even get a slight breakup on the bottom end with mild volumes. There is something going on. Speakers were brand new. I'll pull it all apart Sunday and see what's up.

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            • #7
              Hey bottlefed and MLA, just a heads up, everything was fine. There were some crossover settings on the head unit that were activated. Once I went through all the menus before pulling it all apart I figured it out. Yeah, major major difference. The JLs sound good without an amp or sub so I'm really happy now. So I guess anyone buying a new M608 from Clarion may want this info someday if they have the same issues.

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              • #8
                What is the model of the JL speakers you installed?
                Ski on dude!

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by CHassmann View Post
                  What is the model of the JL speakers you installed?
                  MX-650 coax with sport grills and LED. Was pretty mad at first but now very happy with them. Just need amps and subs to complete.

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