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    Have learned so much on this forum to help with our surf wake on our 03 210 that I wanted to hear from others anything they have found to make it even better. Also interested in speeds people are using for the optimum wake. Assuming everyone has their belly tank full and their lockers filled with bags or a tank bag mix going 700lbs per side.

    I found a big improvement putting a 400 lb bag across the bow filler cushion (or 2-3 people up front), we use a first generation Mission Delta shaper and have found best speed around 10.7 on original Perfect Pass. We weight pretty evenly if anything a very slight tip to the surf side.

    Anyone who has compared different shapers, experimented with other weight placement or speed...let's hear about it.

    I know boards make a big difference, but for this thread let's hear about tuning the wakes. We can ride ropeless just fine but more push is a welcome thing especially as the kids start trying some tricks.

    Thanks!

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    We've been experimenting with our 02 as well recently... 550# side sacs on top of stock wedge tanks that mostly fill, a pair of 300# sacks under the bow seats that fill partly (consensus seems about 300ish # total fits under there) and full stock belly tank we run at 10.7 mph, noticed for lighter riders we have passengers up in the spotter seats for a longer pocket and for larger riders (like my 6'3 240 sack of meat) we put everyone on the back seats/deck for a little more push... We've also got pretty good at catching people back in the pocket by slowing down to 9ish for a quick few seconds the bring it back up to speed, this has been huge for keeping runs longer, honestly doubling our "up" time in most cases... we use a plate that fastens to the swim platform and have found little difference between it and a few different surf gates

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    • #3
      Good tips...we will also make a slight left turn to help keep a rider on who is falling back. I'd like to hide my ballast under the front but I still have that cooler in the way under the starboard bow seat.

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      • #4
        I go 750lbs in each locker, no belly, 500lbs in the bow, then passenger weight of around 1K lbs - 11 mph or 10.7 for the beginners. So I estimate crew and ballast to be about 3K if we are loaded and here is the wave with a $100 ebay wake shaper sticking straight out the side all the way back on the hull.

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        • #5
          Looks great! Seems like we are all in the same ballpark on speed. Is your port side wave as nice?

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          • #6
            So I am definitely new to the OG 210 surfing club and I just pulled my tanks and am running the wakemakers replacement bags about 550 as thatís all they said would fit(wrong), and the stock belly. I am thinking of adding some lead up front as we usually donít have a ton of crew but donít want to submarine it if the wife is driving. I have the new SWELL suck gate that rotates and expands and am still messing with the specifics on that.

            On a side note...
            I am wondering about how everyone has their drain pump set up, every time I fill my pump gets put in some weird position and I donít want to add too much stress on the fittings. Does everyone just leave it in the little pit on the bottom or do people build a plate there to limit the stress?


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            • #7
              Personally I don't like the idea of lead as my boat sits on a lift and there are times I do have enough passengers and don't need it. The boat does take a sip of water if the driver(usually me) isn't careful. I have a 400 lb rectangular fat sac that drains and fills quickly with the tsunami pump. I put it sideways in the front spanning across the filler cushion. That has actually been our missing piece of the puzzle from when we started with the boat last summer.

              As for the back I have wedge sacs piggybacked on the tanks so someone else will need to chime in regarding covering your pumps.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by 03SANTE View Post
                Looks great! Seems like we are all in the same ballpark on speed. Is your port side wave as nice?
                Port side is not as strong, but in this setup everybody liked the wave on that side too. Most of our crew is beginners so I would be the only one to notice the difference and I have only ridden on the starboard side.

                I can't comment on the drain pump either, I ripped out the whole Nautique ballast system in the rear and went reversible pumps.

                Btw, my favorite upgrade on the boat is the 1578 prop,, its a beast...I can get up to wakeboard speed no problem fully loaded. And when I drive the boat by myself its really fun to jump out of the hole!

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                • #9
                  Sorry I may have mis typed. I am only running the bags in the rear I have removed the stock tanks. And Iím wondering how to place the drain pump so when the bag is full itís not adding stress to the connection or pump.

                  As far as the lead upfront which specific bag fits in the bow under the seats? I agree I like water vs lead but I donít know about plumbing in the bag with out having to have a separate external pumps.


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                  • #10
                    I have an 03. Removed factory rears and replaced with the wakemakers 550lbs on each side, factory belly, and only 45lbs of anchors up front. I ride slower but usually only have wife and 6 year old. Homemade suckgate was the ticket. Iíve had 200lb+ buddies go ropeless too. I have an 800lb bag I got last year and put on the center and wave is huge for us! Suggest lead for front and maybe port.

                    I like the 550 bag only for the little bit of storage I keep.


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                    • #11
                      I have an 01, I can ride ropeless with 600 lbs in the starboard and then a Swell shaper and my wife and kid in the boat. Itís not a big wave but rideable.

                      Iím getting a kit for automatic fill for the ski locker and going 600 there and 700 in each side of the engine. I canít wait to try it out Iím hoping for a big improvement

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Luebowski View Post
                        I go 750lbs in each locker, no belly, 500lbs in the bow, then passenger weight of around 1K lbs - 11 mph or 10.7 for the beginners. So I estimate crew and ballast to be about 3K if we are loaded and here is the wave with a $100 ebay wake shaper sticking straight out the side all the way back on the hull.


                        I wouldn't have believed it if I didn't try it...read your input about empty belly and tried it this weekend. 400 sac on the bow seats, all full in the lockers (700 per side tanks and bags) and EMPTY belly, speed 11 on PP. We only had the driver and two passengers and all agreed the wave was better than ever and we were able to get even farther back from the swim deck. Goes against what I would have expected but hey that's why I started this thread.
                        Thanks!

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                        • #13
                          I wouldn't have thought no belly either but I guess it makes a lot of sense. I had my old Super Sport loaded to the rub rail and still couldn't get a decent wave out of it. It was probably the weight up front. I ran 1,600 in the back and 1,100ish in the front with 750 in the belly and about 400 in the bow. I've already moved on to a 230 but I'm glad that hull can get a good surf going. It's an amazing wakeboard wake.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by JAppler View Post
                            So I am definitely new to the OG 210 surfing club and I just pulled my tanks and am running the wakemakers replacement bags about 550 as thatís all they said would fit(wrong), and the stock belly. I am thinking of adding some lead up front as we usually donít have a ton of crew but donít want to submarine it if the wife is driving. I have the new SWELL suck gate that rotates and expands and am still messing with the specifics on that.

                            On a side note...
                            I am wondering about how everyone has their drain pump set up, every time I fill my pump gets put in some weird position and I donít want to add too much stress on the fittings. Does everyone just leave it in the little pit on the bottom or do people build a plate there to limit the stress?


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                            On my 2005, I bought two big cutting boards to take the pressure off the pumps. I just cut a hole for the fitting to connect with the bags and chopped off one corner of the board at an angle to slide back over the "pit".

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                            • #15
                              This past weekend I was able to drop the rope behind the boat, all we needed was more weight.

                              We had a 2 extra bodies and that put it just about surfable. The broadcast is a great board for this boat, no crazy tricks, but fun for sure. My wife who just learned last week dropped the rope... (sheís a rock star).

                              Needless to say I grabbed a members extra fatsac so we can surf just us. Now kicking myself and really wish I would have bought the wakemakers 750s in lieu of the 550s.


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