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  • jmass03
    • Oct 2006
    • 20

    • Florida


    #1

    Question about '06 220 SAN Ballast...

    Finally got to ride behind our new boat, and all I can say is WOW. Coming from a 01 Mastercraft Xstar with the stock ballast, the 220's wake is so different, clean and large. I love the way it smacks you right up into the air a solid 10-12 ft easy. Question though...the ballast seems to make the wake great hitting it heelside with regular stance, aka, the right hand side of the wake is great, nice and clean, however the toeside, or the left hand side of the wake is washed out. What gives? This only happens when the ballast is loaded up, the boat is tracking straight. I've also noticed the port side ballast gauge shows that it the tank is never empty. The needle is always at 1/6 full, even though all the others show empty.

    Jonathan
  • jmass03
    • Oct 2006
    • 20

    • Florida


    #2
    RE: Question about

    Oh yeah...another thing...I've noticed that sometimes the clarion driver remote gets the volumes confused. Volume up means volume down and vice versa. I turn the boat off, shut everything off, restart, and the problem goes away. Whats the deal??

    The boat is at 11 hours, at 15 when they come by to do the oil change I'll address all the problems.

    Jonathan

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    • surroundsound64
      1,000 Post Club Member
      • Jul 2005
      • 2147

      • Longview, TX

      • 2018 230 1981 Ski Nautique

      #3
      RE: Question about

      The wake problem sounds like there is just a little more weight on the right...

      And I'd do what you said... ask them about the stereo when they come by.
      2018 SAN 230
      1981 Ski Nautique
      Sold - 2011 Sport 200V
      Sold - 2000 SAN

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      • Sinkoumn
        Senior Member of PLANETNAUTIQUE
        • Jun 2006
        • 578

        • MPLS - St. Paul, MN

        • Super Sport Nautique

        #4
        RE: Question about

        To fix the balance problem, just get either a sand bag, or some lead weight to put on the left side of the boat (I had the same problem when it was only me riding and the driver in the boat (drivers weight disturbs the balance).

        Either way though, easy fix.

        As for the remote, never seen that before. Interesting though, I wish I could help you out more on that issue - sounds like an internal problem with the headunit (just a guess).
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        • trippg
          • Dec 2003
          • 20

          • Hickory, NC


          #5
          as you look at the wake from the boat just remember:

          "Weight towards the wash"

          I have a 220 and I had a 210, great wakes but they are very sensitive on side to side load. It doesn't matter if you use the factory ballast or 4000lbs of weight. I use a 85lb weight to finetune both sides of the wake.

          good luck

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          • jonfo
            Senior Member of PLANETNAUTIQUE
            • Jul 2003
            • 385

            • Bellevue, WA

            • 1990 SN 2016 G23

            #6
            I have two 65lbs weights that move to the wash side on verbal command. They need to be fed though.
            -Jon
            16 G23
            07 220 TE
            05 211 TE
            95 SS (210)
            89 SN

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            • jmass03
              • Oct 2006
              • 20

              • Florida


              #7
              Originally posted by jonfo
              I have two 65lbs weights that move to the wash side on verbal command. They need to be fed though.

              :razz: haha thats funny. yeah i'm going to do what you guys said, i just thought that being a big boat it wouldnt be so sensitive to weight change, my xstar wasnt even that drastic to weight change. is the hard tank ballast not that fine tuned to spreading weight evenly?

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              • trippg
                • Dec 2003
                • 20

                • Hickory, NC


                #8
                The three tanks (2 rears and one in the center) are evenly weighted; however the weight of the driver and or passengers needs to be compensated for.

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                • Deester
                  • Aug 2005
                  • 147

                  • Coppell, Texas


                  #9
                  jmass, what did you work out on the weight issue for your 220? We have an '07 220 and are running into the same weight sensitive issues. It seems even without a rider you cant get both sides clean at the same time. What has worked for you?
                  2008 Super Air 210----- Current Boat
                  2007 Super Air 220 ----- Former Boat
                  2004 SV 211 ----- Former Boat
                  1990 Sport Nautique ---- Former Boat

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                  • tdc_worm
                    Senior Member of PLANETNAUTIQUE
                    • Feb 2004
                    • 532



                    #10
                    finally dialed our 06 220. first, we were running full ballast, three ppl in the boat and one rider.

                    second, i have 200lbs of lead in the nose (heavier on the port side to clean up that side of the wake. i have another 100lbs in the ski locker.

                    third, i plumbed a 750lb fly high sack in each rear locker and also plumbed a 580lb fly high rear seat sack in the ski locker. with four people in the boat, we were running the rear sacks at about half full or 400lbs each. because of the shape of the ski locker, the center sack will not completely fill, so i estimate that it was about 75% full or 450lbs.

                    finally, i have another 50lb lead weight that i keep next to the drivers seat to balance the boat as it is still weight sensitive (but not so much as it is when it is only running stock ballast).

                    my estimate is that we were about 1500lbs of additional ballast, not including people. with 750lbs in nose, and 800 lbs in the rear, the boat felt pretty well balanced. it was slower getting on plane, but nothing ridiculous. as far as the hydrogate, i put it all of the way forward at position "3" to help get us on plane, then pulled it back just below "2" when riding. first, this boat loves extra weight. riding at 23 mph and 75 feet of rope, the wake was huge an meaty, and is steeper than stock. while reminiscent of the old 210 wake, it lacked the trough while still maintaining that effortless, signature "buck" of the original... the transition is smooth and ramps you right up into a super meaty lip that is slightly less abrupt than the old 210...

                    i have a v shaped bow sack that we may fill up next time along with completely filling the rear sacks...i am just not sure any of us are skilled enough to take it any bigger...

                    now for the best part. you can easily surf this boat on both sides. my last boat was a calabria pro V, which is (was) arguably the best surf wake in my experience. we always surfed regular behind the calabria because of the LH prop, so were a little concerned about our 06 220 having a RH prop. we dumped all of the starboard side ballast and completely filled the port side and gave it a shot. we were not disappointed. the 220 is completely capable of throwing a monstrous, clean, port side slayshin' wake in spite of the prop rotation. the pocket is big and deep, and about middle of the road as far as length. then just for fun, we dumped the port side and completely refilled the starboard side. holy cripes. while i am not disappointed with the port side wake, the starboard picks up another 6-12 inches and remains just as clean. optimal speed was 10.2 - 10.7 mph. i did not notice that the hydrogate made any difference in wake shape.

                    to wrap it up, i hate pumps, so that is why i went overkill with the biggest sacks i could get my hands on...it is better to have more weight and not need it than to need more weight and not have it. the plumbing was easy and big props goes to fly high for making such a simple product...it is going to be a good summer!

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                    • jonfo
                      Senior Member of PLANETNAUTIQUE
                      • Jul 2003
                      • 385

                      • Bellevue, WA

                      • 1990 SN 2016 G23

                      #11
                      I just got a late 07 220, and this is some good information on 220 weight setup. It is pretty finicky about weight placement, more so than my previous 210 and 211. I had to mount a little level on the rear deck just in front of the pylon so i can keep an eye on the balance. I have the LH prop so i find the boat is always "light"on the port side. Even if you have the boat perfectly weighted when sitting still in the water, it will lean towards starboard a bit when the boat gets underway. I have the 400lbs fly high prox vdrive sacs on top of the stock tanks so i just put more in the port sac to even this out. Its easy to adjust on the fly because I have the overflow of the rear tanks running into the sacs, and the sac overflows running out the above water through hull exit hole on each side. I just hit fill on the port side, or empty on starboard, until it is even.

                      I have the fly high tube sac in the ski locker but it doesnt seem to be enough weight in the front to keep it from porpoising. Has anyone tried the Fly High Pro X Series Integrated Bow Sac? It looks a little big for the compartment in the 220, but maybe not filled all the way it will work.
                      -Jon
                      16 G23
                      07 220 TE
                      05 211 TE
                      95 SS (210)
                      89 SN

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                      • craigb
                        • Mar 2006
                        • 52



                        #12
                        I run 800lbs of lead, 400lbs on each side under the back seats, 500lbs in the locker and 200lbs of lead in the nose. Too much weight in the very back causes the boat to porpoise to much. Too much weight in the nose causes the boat to turn poorly. If there are only two, I riding and one driving, I empty some of the water out of the starboard ballast tanks to compensate for the weight of the driver. The 220 is very sensative from side to side.

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