210 wake report...

[sperbet]

"There can be only one highlander."

that's great

[jc]

When wakeboarding first started out, the best option out there was a direct drive ski boat. Understandably people needed to phatty them up to produce a respectable wake, or at least a fun wake. But after all these years and how far wakeboarding has come, why do we still need to add 1000's of LBS of extra weight to a $60 - 70,000 ''wakeboard'' boat? Is the aftermarket fat - sack industry that lucrative (he-he)? I have never heard of anyone purchase a tournament ski boat and gut it in order to lose weight and have a softer wake. It comes from the factory as advertised, a ski boat- no wake. I think a tournament wake boat should be the same, have a tournament wake straight out of the factory. Does anyone share my opinion on this? I guess just seeing those pic's of the new 210 wake was a little dissapointing, all of that interior space gain will be lost once the proper ballast is added to make an intermediate wake.

[Skier12]

jc,
It's a valid point you bring up. However if a company were to add more ballast to an existing boat they would have to compensate in the Coast Guard plate. In that case they would have to limit the capacity of the boat from say 9 passengers to 5.

Another problem is that we all know 1/2 the people that buy these boats don't have a clue what they're doing. If CC adds another 1000 pounds of ballast to a boat I'm sure alot more of them will be swamped. So theres a few reasons I could see why CC doesn't have 2000 pounds of stock ballast.

[jc]

I totally agree with those points, it is scary enough on our lake as it is. But I am thinking about different hull designs or shapes, the technology must be there to create the ideal wake shapes and sizes. Just a thought.

[NAWTEAK]

dragon, wasnt accusing anyone of trolling, just imo the wake cant be that bad considering the new boat is of simular size to the old one. as long as the wake is firm as per the pre 07 210's it should be good.

[tdc_worm]

jc,
It's a valid point you bring up. However if a company were to add more ballast to an existing boat they would have to compensate in the Coast Guard plate. In that case they would have to limit the capacity of the boat from say 9 passengers to 5.

not so. the only boat they would have to worry about is the 196 because it is less than 20 feet. the simple answer is to remove the plate because it is not required by law. the equation that they use to determine capacity is (length x width)/15. very scientific, huh? they never take into account the vessels freeboard, ballast, fuel weight, or dry weight. basically the plate being on a 20+ foot boat is useless...

http://www.boatingbasicsonline.com/c...41e5db73147ab7

[pjdave]

As far as i can see it nautique used to have a boat that needed not extra ballast other than standard to produce a worthy wake. This sold the boat to me over the others which needed sacks to compensate.

now it looks like all the 2007 line up (bar 236, which is one large boat) needs added weight to to get back to a standard nautique set in the begining. Dave

[gotwake]

Nice write-up and thanks for taking the time to post the info up. I know that "all things come to an end", "can't please them all", "It's the first model year- wait'll they fine tune it" and all, but this one is pretty tough to take. I still cannot believe that they put the 210 badge on the new boat. It forces comparisions to the older model instead of letting the boat stand on it's own. You have to wonder about the Marketing team at CC. What were they thinking?
Well, what now? Do they come out with the 210 retro? Oh well.

The new line-up is a tough one to take. I understand that the new lines on the hulls make it tough to put "creative" gel lines on the boat, but going back to the three belly stripes is terrible. The tower is now the worst design in the industry. (although Tige might be right there with them) The seating, while improved in some areas, is still is a mess and is it really important that all new boats have to have the stadium seating regardless of length? Dashes... pffffttt.... Trailers are still a dealership crapshoot. And for crying out loud, the props are spinning the wrong direction! Gotta try to come up with a list of things I like, and that CC is doing right, but really can't come up with much.


I'm not sure this venting is helping any, but really needed a release.

[wilcar]

now it looks like all the 2007 line up (bar 236, which is one large boat) needs added weight to to get back to a standard nautique set in the begining. Dave

I agree. the 210 was a boat that my kids love riding with 5 peeps on board and no ballast and I ride with ballast. Maybe some lead depending on which river ( due to depth, salt or fresh). We can ride with the kids all day and only go through Aud$60 on fuel. Now if we're adding extra weight, more pumps, bags, lead, etc. Pain in the ***.

PJ can you get your 220 wake looking like this. :shock: I like it. :mrgreen:

[jeffk]

Here is a picture of my 211 with stock ballest plus v-drive bags and a ski locker bag. Starting to really like my 211. Very easy to dial in.

[Puckhead]

Heh Wilcar... That looks like Lake Austin just upriver from Dell's place.

[Puckhead]

BTW, based on the feedback on this site and others I'm glad I picked up the '06 201 SANTE. I thought it was strange that SW didn't ride the 210 last weekend and only rode behind the 236.

[wilcar]

Heh Wilcar... That looks like Lake Austin just upriver from Dell's place.

Yeah, I "borrowed" the pic from another site. looks awesome though.

[OKWAKEBDR]

Wake looks rather disappointing to me as well. I'll have to wait to actually ride it before I post judgement. My only comment is this...I sold my '01 X-Star and bought an '05 SANTE for 1 reason - the wake. I love the wake of my boat. I took 1000 lbs of additional wake in my X-Star to get the stock wake I have on my 210. Everyone knows the Old X-Star (X-2/X-1) wake is one of the best around when properly weighted...but that's just it..."when propertly weighted". I don't mind adding weight to my boat, but it shouldn't be required for an intermediate to expert rider. Outlaws and pros are going to add weight no matter what.

[redelf75]

I am not in favor of exceeding the CG Max Weight and agree that dedicated or crossover wakeboard boats that cost this much should not need ANY aftermarket ballast.

Furthermore, already, too much space is dedicated to ballast, factory or not. I think the best answer for a comp wake boat lies in an external device such as Malibu's wing or the shift gate. There is too much technology and understanding of hydrodynamics available today to have to resort to using bricks or water as ballast!