Surfing in coves and narrow water ways

[Nautiquehunter]

Not defending stupidity in any form....but why don't the tubers, combo skiiers, kneeboarders etc.... "deserve" the same water that the wakeboarders, footers and slalomers do?? Just because it's a tube....doesn't mean you need to beat the sh&t out of the boat and tube to have fun. Tubers don't have designated area to be in. A little calmer non-windy cove is for ALL to enjoy. Tube on my brothers.....tube on!!!!!

Tubers would be fine if they didn't do S turns and power whips.

[Nautiquehunter]

We find the smoothest water possible to surf and then when we are done surfing, we get out the tube and pull that. Tubing in calm water is the best.

Actually, we will surf in a cove or out in the open. Depends on how strong the wind is blowing. My wife prefers the open because she doesn't have to deal with other boaters. I'm always surprised by the ski/wake boats that will come up into the cove pulling a tube. I just think they should know better. Ultimately, I deal with it because I don't own the lake and technically they can tube wherever they want.

You have to put up with a tuber while you are surfing a loaded G23 in a cove? You are the problem.

[SilentSeven]

....I think it is a mistake to presume some deserve flat water and shelter from the wind while others don't....

Probably not 'deserve' but more accurately said as 'need'.

It's pretty much impossible to get in a slalom run if the water is anything but totally flat. You can wakeboard and kneeboard with a few bumps but it starts to fall away fast as water gets rougher. What I've observed with surfers is that you can seem to get in a decent run even when the water is quite choppy as the boat's wake pocket steamrolls a lot of the lumps. Maybe not the high end stuff your kids are doing Greg...but for the majority.of riders.

So...broadly...slalom skiers have the least tolerance to lumps and surfers seem to have the most.

We'll get up at o-dark thirty to try to get glassy skiing water only to have one surf rig out towing their rider in a box pattern fubarring a huge section of the lake. Surf rigs have become the early AM stand ins for tube towers. :/

[WakeSports12]

Imagine feeling so entitled that you dictate online what other water sports and their participants "need." Slaom skiers really think their stuff doesn't stink. If surfers PREFER or WANT glass in a cove and they get there first or there is room, too bad for you.

The whole culture of "tubers and surfers aren't as superior as me and my sport" is a joke. Read some of the comments from the skiers here and think "what other aspect of my life would I find this kind of entitlement acceptable." I am sure, you won't find one.

Surfing in the ocean and behind a boat are best early morning and early evening... it is the calmest and most ENJOYABLE for us. You don't own rights to a cove or glass water so please, spare us your proclamations.

[boomersooner]

You have to put up with a tuber while you are surfing a loaded G23 in a cove? You are the problem.

I like providing big waves for the tubers to jump. They seek me out so that doesn't seem like a problem to me.

BTW, I've never seen someone barefoot on our lake and I've maybe seen one slalom guy. Mostly surfers, wakeboarders and tubers.

[Tchur1]

I like providing big waves for the tubers to jump. They seek me out so that doesn't seem like a problem to me.

BTW, I've never seen someone barefoot on our lake and I've maybe seen one slalom guy. Mostly surfers, wakeboarders and tubers.

This made me laugh. I have no idea if you are being sarcastic or not but either way its funny.

The idea that one sport is entitled to certain areas of water is wild to me. Every sport is more enjoyable with clean water. Can you surf in some chop? Sure, but if you have any desire to get better at a sport it's so much easier to learn and progress in good conditions. If a surfer gets to a cove before a skier, and is conscious of how to operate why should they not be entitled to that area?

[Nick Heimer]

Being a recreational skier, wakeboarder, and surfer, I normally pick my sport based on the conditions. For that reason, I've always thought of surfing as a rougher water sport. There's rarely a day where wind and chop would prevent me from surfing. However, opportunities to slalom only come a few times a summer on the lakes I ride. I agree that I'd also rather surf on smoother water, but it would be super if others could recognize when they're encroaching my lines for the very limited glassy ski/wakeboard sessions. Normally the ski/wakeboard sets are much shorter and at a time in the day where I'm purposefully trying to avoid the crowd.

Overall, I think being multi-sport capable gave me a bit of extra respect for those really trying to get after some slalom turns and, to a slightly lesser extent, on the wakeboard. At the end of the day the water is for everyone, but shutting down for 20 minutes in the morning to watch someone hitting a couple nice wake lines can be just as fun as surfing.

[bturner]

The problem I see is that there's a ton of people who don't have a clue what they're doing or are all about themselves regardless of the boat. The rise of the boating hobby in general has added a ton of new and unskilled boaters and unfortunately it would appear those having the kind of dough to buy a surf ship tend to be.... let's say self absorbed. While most here are aware of where and when they can throw a wall of water down the cove that certainly isn't anywhere close to what I've seen lately on the lake. I wakesurf and enjoy it immensely but I'm really careful about what makes sense. If I see guys in a cove or bay doing slalom sets I'll take the rougher water. Do I have a right to that calm water? Sure as much as anyone else on the lake I would suspect but I'd rather take the rougher water, perform a less than common courtesy these days and let the guys that need the calmer water have it. Have I seen d'bags with surf ships run into a cove where skiers are taking turns doing sets? Yep, just last weekend. 9AM with the sound system blaring. They all had great tattoo's though so I guess they were actually highly skilled athletes and deserved that calm water to perfect that awesome fire hydrant move.

It's the idiots that head into a cove where there are active skiers or the morons that think you want to see them surf as the cruise 100' off a string of rafted off boats that will settle this for us all with more and more restrictions placed on everyone by the state and lake association boards. Will I take that cove or bay run if no one is there? Sure, if I can do so without wiping out someone's dock, ruining someone's quiet fishing spot or knocking someone off a SUP. My need to have that calm water required to develop my skills and progress in the sport just isn't enough to ruin someone else's day on the water. Problem is we've all seen, cringed and shook our heads as some idiot runs their surf ship a 100' off the shore line or too close to a kayak or SUP.

Oh BTW.... is wakesurfing an actual sport now? Does this mean someone's an athlete now for being able to ride behind a boat at 10mph? And if wakesurfing is a sport.... is riding one of those water disc's with a chair on it or skiing on an oar considered a sport? Just checking as I may actually be a multi event athlete and didn't know it.

I can see I'm going to need a lot of calm water going forward so I can quickly develop my skills and progress in my newly re-imagined disc chair riding and oar riding sports. I may need me some of those tattoo's those wakesurfers had too to project the correct image the disc chair riding sport deserves.....

[boomersooner]

riding one of those water disc's with a chair on it

Sadly, the only thing that interested me in this post was the comment about water disks. What are these water disks you speak of? Can they be ridden in rough water? If smooth water is needed, I'll have to pass on that sport.

[bturner]

Depends on what Disc Chair level your riding at. Once you cross into the semi pro or pro level the only way you'll develop those more difficult moves is in calm water.....

[boomersooner]

Depends on what Disc Chair level your riding at. Once you cross into the semi pro or pro level the only way you'll develop those more difficult moves is in calm water.....

So what you're saying is, I might be able to progress to disk ladder level? If so, this is the only water sport that interests me.

[aromeo]

Tubers would be fine if they didn't do S turns and power whips.

That's just it! Well plus it requires zero skills. But the guy who posts about entitlement is right.. But that doesn't absolve (or entitle them) from being inconsiderate and completely oblivious to their surroundings. Again - I take waves over my bow regularly as the a$$ wipe in the huge V-drive waves to us from 50 feet away not having a clue what he's doing..

[bturner]

So what you're saying is, I might be able to progress to disk ladder level? If so, this is the only water sport that interests me.

That's a great picture. We used to do the chair, newspaper and pipe while taking a spin around the lake on Sunday morning. Never did the ladder. I would consider this to be completely achievable with enough calm water.

[WakeSports12]

That's just it! Well plus it requires zero skills. But the guy who posts about entitlement is right.. But that doesn't absolve (or entitle them) from being inconsiderate and completely oblivious to their surroundings. Again - I take waves over my bow regularly as the a$$ wipe in the huge V-drive waves to us from 50 feet away not having a clue what he's doing..

I don't deny that there are certainly rude people in all aspects of boating. There is a big difference in defending a boater's actions vs defending against people that somehow think they own and deserve water.

Wonder what fishermen think when their cove is a honey-hole and see Billy the BA slalom skier ripping up and down the cove. It's never ending. All you can do is show up and enjoy your time, if someone beat you to a spot, that is on you...maybe pickup another sport in a boat?

My last comment is this; Notice how all the guys giving their entitled posts have stopped? Hopefully they read their own comments again and saw how they come off. I'm all for anything on the water and hope everyone finds something fun to do, where the line has to be drawn is allowing others to dictate where and when you do your sport.

[Skidave]

Just get a hydrofoil; Air Chair, Sky Ski or surf style foil...doesn't matter. Rough water dilemmas vanish. Sure, I'll take calm water, but the only bumps are in the boat. If it's extremely crappy, I just ride for fun and eat a banana.

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