G23 Paragon Weight

[RDT-G23]

Has anybody weighed one, then subtracted the fuel & trailer weight? I ask for this reason-Nautique initially advertised the boat at 7,400 lbs, then changed it to 7,200 lbs when the P25 was introduced. (When I questioned this-I was told at a boat show by a Nautique employee that the original P23 had a bunch of prototype parts in it that were heavier, thus the early/heavier listed weight). Here's my issue folks-Ray Charles could see that more than 200 lbs separates the two boats, especially if 500 lbs separates the G23 from the G25...

I have a Paragon-as many know, but don't trailer it other than five miles to a storage unit (rural) around Thanksgiving for the off season. I was wondering if someone out there does trailer who could satisfy my curiosity...

[jjackkrash]

I would love to see an actual scale weight on one of these loaded with a trailer. That tower looks like it weighs 7200 lbs.

[MG94]

I would like to see it as well. I have a 10,000lb lift and want to figure out if I can safely put it up with ballast full. Sounds silly but our lake can get so rough that I don’t want to tie it up just to run in the house. I always drain it when I put it up for the night.


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[RDT-G23]

I would like to see it as well. I have a 10,000lb lift and want to figure out if I can safely put it up with ballast full. Sounds silly but our lake can get so rough that I don’t want to tie it up just to run in the house. I always drain it when I put it up for the night.


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Methinks we will be waiting awhile for this info...

[functionoverfashion]

This seems like it would be close enough to answer your question - it's not a Paragon, but it's a real-world measurement of a G23.

https://www.planetnautique.com/vb5/f...al-tow-weights

Just got an update from Boatmate that the 1,600 lbs advertised trailer weight is without any options and my specific trailer with steps on the front, transom steps, and an under hull spare tire actually weighs 1,882 lbs. The updated numbers are below, but the shift in weight from the boat to the trailer doesn't really change anything about the max loads.

7,900 lbs: Ram 3500 Truck w/full fuel (no trailer)
8,600 lbs: Truck w/boat tongue weight (truck w/trailer, but only truck axles on the scale)
700 lbs: Tongue weight (math 8,600-7,900=700)
16,640 lbs: Total truck and Boat w/trailer weight
8,740 lbs: Boat and Trailer weight. (math 16,640-7,900=8,740)
1,882 lbs: Boatmate trailer alone (advertised weight)
6,858 lbs: G23 with full fuel and "normal" equipment load (math 8,740-1,882=6,858)

[RDT-G23]

This seems like it would be close enough to answer your question - it's not a Paragon, but it's a real-world measurement of a G23.

https://www.planetnautique.com/vb5/f...al-tow-weights

The issue is that they are entirely different boats, hulls, etc. The G23 is advertised at 5,900 lbs, the P23 at 7,200 lbs...big delta. I need a Paragon on the scale!

[philb]

The issue is that they are entirely different boats, hulls, etc. The G23 is advertised at 5,900 lbs, the P23 at 7,200 lbs...big delta. I need a Paragon on the scale!

Me too...

[functionoverfashion]

The issue is that they are entirely different boats, hulls, etc. The G23 is advertised at 5,900 lbs, the P23 at 7,200 lbs...big delta. I need a Paragon on the scale!

If it's pure curiosity then sure, you need a Paragon on a scale. But I would think the dry weight vs. loaded difference seen on that G23 would be similar on a Paragon, even though the dry weight is different. 200lbs could be the difference in one person's typical equipment and gear vs. another. So I guess what you need is someone to put a Paragon on a scale with no gear inside, and an exact known trailer weight.

For the purposes of towing or a boat lift, I would think adding 1,000 or more lbs to the dry weight would be sufficient. As has been discussed here at length in the past, you don't want to be up against weight limits with that kind of thing anyway.

[shag]

I would think that boat has to have the ability to add significant weight in sub floor ballast. I would bet you are approaching a 10k lift max capacity if you lift it with full ballast. I have an older 230, and have figured that I am between 7- 8K with ballast and wet weight total. I bought a 10k lift (used) to be sure I had plenty of capacity if I forget or wanted to leave some ballast full. My initial feeling is with a Paragon, I would want a 12k lift if I was considering lifting it with ballast. My experience is that buying a higher capacity lift may extend the life of the lift as you are not consistently putting the lift to work at near its rated capacity, and it's good peace of mind.
As for trailering, I would want 5K axles with a tandem, and probably same for a triple. I would want disc trailer brakes on two axles, probably electric over hydraulic.
Just my .02. Congrats on the new yacht!

[mulde35d]

If someone wants to lend me a Paragon for a week and alot me a few hours of use I will gladly go weigh it just like I did my G23. Just saying

[RDT-G23]

If it's pure curiosity then sure, you need a Paragon on a scale. But I would think the dry weight vs. loaded difference seen on that G23 would be similar on a Paragon, even though the dry weight is different. 200lbs could be the difference in one person's typical equipment and gear vs. another. So I guess what you need is someone to put a Paragon on a scale with no gear inside, and an exact known trailer weight.

For the purposes of towing or a boat lift, I would think adding 1,000 or more lbs to the dry weight would be sufficient. As has been discussed here at length in the past, you don't want to be up against weight limits with that kind of thing anyway.

Yes, it is pure curiosity. My inquisitiveness stems mainly from the fact that I know the P23 and P25 can't be separated by only 200 lbs. (as I note above). It is no emergency by any means. The answer will come soon enough via someone weighing. I suspect Nautique will revise specs as we get into the 2021 web-site revisions as well...

[memerr]

I finally pulled my P23 across scales this evening. I had been having some ride and suspension issues with my Boatmate HD triple axle trailer. Long story short, the combination of the suspension bolts being too tight and elite shield coating gumming up load distributing tandem blocks between the axles wouldn’t allow weight transfer as designed. When towing, it essentially felt like rigid mounted axles to the trailer. So after freeing everything up and driving it around, I axled out the trailer to check weight distribution between axles and tongue weight. My specific P23 + trailer + full tank of gas + 150 lbs lead came in at exactly 9900 lbs. I didn’t have any boards, gear, etc in the boat when weighing other than listed.


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[RDT-G23]

I finally pulled my P23 across scales this evening. I had been having some ride and suspension issues with my Boatmate HD triple axle trailer. Long story short, the combination of the suspension bolts being too tight and elite shield coating gumming up load distributing tandem blocks between the axles wouldn’t allow weight transfer as designed. When towing, it essentially felt like rigid mounted axles to the trailer. So after freeing everything up and driving it around, I axled out the trailer to check weight distribution between axles and tongue weight. My specific P23 + trailer + full tank of gas + 150 lbs lead came in at exactly 9900 lbs. I didn’t have any boards, gear, etc in the boat when weighing other than listed.


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I figured it would be just over 10K. Close. Thank you for doing this!

[memerr]

Spending the week at Norris Lake. Six hour drive from home. We have the boat packed like we’re spending two weeks at Lake Powell. Couldn’t resist pulling onto a Cat scale and unhooking from truck to see what a fully loaded HD triple, P23, and a stupid amount of gear weighed...11,120 lbs.


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[RDT-G23]

Spending the week at Norris Lake. Six hour drive from home. We have the boat packed like we’re spending two weeks at Lake Powell. Couldn’t resist pulling onto a Cat scale and unhooking from truck to see what a fully loaded HD triple, P23, and a stupid amount of gear weighed...11,120 lbs.


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...and I assume you aren’t toting that rig with one of these “beefy, high hp/tq 1/2 tons” that manufacturers (and many here on the board) say are suited to this towing task...