Help with surf setup for 05 SANTE

[tdenton22]

I believe the rear tanks are 250 and the belly tank is 300 for a total of 800.

[peter43]

I had an 04 210. Definitely get a suck gate. It helps clean up the wave especially on the starboard side. If you want to keep the stock ballast tanks I would put an additional 750# sack on the floor in the middle next to the driver. The additional weight in the center to nose helps to lengthen the pocket. Fill the rear tank of the side you are riding on. This boat makes a great wave you just have to get it to clean up. You don't have to lean it very much with the suck gate. I pulled all the hard tanks from my boat and upgraded to sacks and added an acme 1578 prop. speed 9.8 mph.

[tdenton22]

I had an 04 210. Definitely get a suck gate. It helps clean up the wave especially on the starboard side. If you want to keep the stock ballast tanks I would put an additional 750# sack on the floor in the middle next to the driver. The additional weight in the center to nose helps to lengthen the pocket. Fill the rear tank of the side you are riding on. This boat makes a great wave you just have to get it to clean up. You don't have to lean it very much with the suck gate. I pulled all the hard tanks from my boat and upgraded to sacks and added an acme 1578 prop. speed 9.8 mph.

What sacks did you put in the rear? Did you put any additional weight in the bow?


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[peter43]

What sacks did you put in the rear? Did you put any additional weight in the bow?


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I put 750's in the rear and a 580 in the belly and upgraded to impeller pumps. If I filled up all of those it was best to have another 500# in the front. If you put too much weight in the back the boat tends to porpoise.

My buddy had a 05 with the stock ballast and we would put 2 750's on the floor and that was about the best set up we found in addition to the stock ballast. No room to walk around the boat though.


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[XBIGPUN66]

We had a 2004 SANTE. We removed the rear tanks and put in 1100's. We put an 1100 v bag under the front seats plumbed to the vent of the belly tank. We installed two way pumps. It worked pretty good. This was before all of the suck gate devices.

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[dhanni848]

I am stock hard tanks for 03, and I believe they are 350s rear and 200 center for 900lb. Used DIY sucgate yesterday and definitely a worthwhile investment for $35!

[tdenton22]

I talked with Wakemakers and they suggested I go with 550's in the rear lockers and a 500 under the bow seats. This is also with a suck gate. It seems a lot of people have gone with 750's in the rear. I'm not sure here is enough room to completely fill them.

Any of you that run 750's in the rear, what has been your experience as far as fully filling the bags?


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[Beach-TJ]

I have an 04 SAN 210 TE and a Delta wake shaper. We have been working on the surf setup this year. Were mainly boarders, so the surfing is second priority, but we are getting it dialed in. The stock tanks are 330 lbs center and 260 lbs each in the rear (wedge tanks) for a total of 850 lbs.

What we have figured out so far is all stock tanks full. A pair of 440 lbs Fly High wedge sacks on top of the stock tanks in the rear, for a total of 700 lbs in each rear locker. I also run 120 lbs of lead under the front most bow seat, this is there for boarding but we leave it put for surfing. When we only have 1 or 2 people in the boat we also run a 650 lb sack (a long locker style sack) right in the middle of the main seating area. This weight distribution seams to produce the best surf wake so far. We are playing with speed, somewhere between 10.2 and 11.2 seams to work best.

I stuck with the stock tanks with the wedge sacks piggybacked on top due to the hard tanks being perfect for our wake-boarding abilities. None of my crew, including myself, want to run anything higher than stock for boarding. And some of the crew prefer the tanks partially filled, having the gages allows to to set up the boat easier than if I switched to just sacks in the rear. It's all a personal preference, what's more important to you. I think a 750 lb sack will pretty much fill up, and that's about the limit of those compartments. I know the compartments have room for at least 700 lbs, but it's tight at that point, with just a little room left.

[SCNautique210SAN]

I haven't tried out the suckgates yet, but I have a 2004 SAN210TE and the absolute best wake that I made was with a 750lb fat sack on top of the internal tank, another 750lb fat sack on the same side (bout half full) and full belly. Was easily able to hang about 15-20 ft behind the boat, pump in and air out. Definitely not practical though.

Normally I run one 750lb sack on each side now. I removed the internal tanks. Depending on the rider, I'll either fill up the belly or I won't. Filling up the belly will elongate the wake, but make it a little harder to stay in if you don't have enough weight on the side. If you keep the belly empty, it'll bring the wake much closer to the swim step but will be much more peaky and easier to stay in. Speed is critical though. When you have enough weight (like my impractical setup), you can run at 11 - 11.5. But in most cases, I will run around 10 - 10.5mph.

[tdenton22]

Did you have to upgrade your prop to handle the additional weight?


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[Beach-TJ]

Before I received my Delta wake shaper I would run heavy offset, leaning, wake like SCNautique does. Either that way or with my current setup I have never felt I needed a deeper prop for surfing. I have the stock Team prop, 13.5x16, and it does great. With surfing we don't jerk people up, we ease them up, and the stock prop has no issue with that and no issue holding a steady speed for surfing.

[Beach-TJ]

I talked with Wakemakers and they suggested I go with 550's in the rear lockers and a 500 under the bow seats. This is also with a suck gate. It seems a lot of people have gone with 750's in the rear. I'm not sure here is enough room to completely fill them.

Any of you that run 750's in the rear, what has been your experience as far as fully filling the bags?

Not sure if you realize it, but to be able to fill a 750 in the rear you will need to remove the hard tanks. I'm guessing Wakemakers was suggesting the 550's on top of the hard tanks?

[tdenton22]

Not sure if you realize it, but to be able to fill a 750 in the rear you will need to remove the hard tanks. I'm guessing Wakemakers was suggesting the 550's on top of the hard tanks?

The 550's are part of their "tank buster" kit for my boat. They would actually replace the hard tanks.

That's why I was asking, because it seams a lot of guys are running 750's in he rear lockers. I just didn't want to pay for 750's if there was only room in the locker to fill them to 600.

I'm guessing if I called them, they could build a "tank buster" kit with 750's.

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[Beach-TJ]

Yeah, I don't think I would go through the trouble of removing the hard tanks for just 550 lb bags. I know over the years the size of the rear compartments changed. My buddies 2000 SAN has much smaller rear compartments and I bet the 550s would fill his up. But I think your 05 is identical to my 04, 750s would be how I went if I was removing the hard tanks.

[peter43]

The 550's are part of their "tank buster" kit for my boat. They would actually replace the hard tanks.

That's why I was asking, because it seams a lot of guys are running 750's in he rear lockers. I just didn't want to pay for 750's if there was only room in the locker to fill them to 600.

I'm guessing if I called them, they could build a "tank buster" kit with 750's.

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You can fill the 750s all the way up. The compartments will be pretty much full so if you have a lot of stuff in there you will have to take it out.


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