230 vs gs22

[SupraFly]

well I posted about a GS22 vs a g21 and I think I settled on the GS for my family, but while looking around here a bit more I started thinking about a 230.

I think it's safe to assume the GS will have a superior ski wake, but what about wakeboard and more importantly surf?

I know this is mostly hypothetical since few have been around a GS22.

But theoretically, which of these two boats should surf better?

[charlesml3]

But theoretically, which of these two boats should surf better?

There is no way to really answer that question right now. The 230 has been around for years. There is a huge body of knowledge around getting it to surf nicely. None such exists for the GS22 yet. I suspect it'll be June/July before we really know.

-Charles

[seveet]

Here is a video of our 230 wake for comparison.

https://vimeo.com/176323835

couple of thoughts.

1) they are all great wakes. The max on the 230 or a G21 may be a little bigger, but none of these wakes should prevent you from progressing.
2) Although the 230 wake may be bigger the GS wake tends to have more push and a better lip for its size.
3) You have a young family. It may be better to tie up a less money in a boat until you can see how much time you all are going to spend on the boat and see what everyone likes to do.
4) If you are not taking 10-12 people out on a regular basis, consider a used 210 2014 or newer. Best of all worlds for the lowest cost.

[SupraFly]

Thanks for the help. I definitely want a new boat due to the warranty. I have been burned on a used car before, and needed a good warranty on an onboard before.

looking at those videos you have it seems you've spent time behind a GS (20) and the 230. I'm assuming it's your 230 and a friends GS. I really like this GS22 at my local dealer, and I'm hoping if I buy it I won't be in a situation that I regret the purchase and wish I had gotten the G or even the 230.

It appears the 210/230 has a deeper freeboard overall, is that true? Is that something that is obvious? Is it more comfortable to be in a deeper boat?

thanks for all the help.

[seveet]

With the amount of money you are spending, your dealer should have no problem taking you out on a demo for all three boats. The 230 and 210 will need more ballast over the pro-ballast up grade. Spend some time sitting in the various seats at the dealership. Comfort is a very subjective thing. There are parts of the GS I like better and parts of the 230 I like better. I tried to highlight that in the other review. The GS22 has some nice additions when compared to the 20. Again, you really need to spend the time and take them out for a demo.

[SupraFly]

My dealer is a fairly small dealer (in a smaller town), and they don't have any 210/230s.

they pretty much only sell G boats. of course they'll get me whatever I want, they simply say the demand in our area is for the G boats, and the 210/230 just doesn't sell as well. So I'm having a hard time

i may may have to drive to a larger city to check them all out.

Thanks

[Guntersville230]

My dealer is a fairly small dealer (in a smaller town), and they don't have any 210/230s.

they pretty much only sell G boats. of course they'll get me whatever I want, they simply say the demand in our area is for the G boats, and the 210/230 just doesn't sell as well. So I'm having a hard time

i may may have to drive to a larger city to check them all out.

Thanks

Where are you located? Someone in your area may be on this site and have a 230 you could check out....just a thought!

[GRNautique]

I just sold my 2014 230 and bought a GS22. The 230 was an AWESOME boat however I feel the GS22 is a much better "family/crossover" boat for a family with kids. I have a 2 year old and 1 on the way and I think the GS22 will be perfect for their beginning days on the water. With the GS22 you can customize the wake/wave more than the 230. The 230 was a beast but probably not the best wave for beginners or younger kids just learning. I surfed behind the GS20 last fall and although the wave wasn't as big as my 230, it felt like it had a lot more push. This was also stock with only 2 people in the boat. I consider myself a "wave snob" and am always trying to dial it in more. The GS20 wave was really nice out of the box for a 20 foot boat. I'm assuming/hoping the GS22 wave will only be that much better... We'll know next week!

[minos]

I just sold my 2014 230 and bought a GS22. The 230 was an AWESOME boat however I feel the GS22 is a much better "family/crossover" boat for a family with kids. I have a 2 year old and 1 on the way and I think the GS22 will be perfect for their beginning days on the water. With the GS22 you can customize the wake/wave more than the 230. The 230 was a beast but probably not the best wave for beginners or younger kids just learning. I surfed behind the GS20 last fall and although the wave wasn't as big as my 230, it felt like it had a lot more push. This was also stock with only 2 people in the boat. I consider myself a "wave snob" and am always trying to dial it in more. The GS20 wave was really nice out of the box for a 20 foot boat. I'm assuming/hoping the GS22 wave will only be that much better... We'll know next week!

So are you still happy with the GS22, or would you say stick to the 230? What do you like and not like on the boat? Any options you think or regret not taking?

[Neverenough]

Can't speak for the GS but if you plan to surf mostly you can't go wrong w 230. So far the GS is unproven. Im it's going to be good.I'd be surprised if the GS wasnt a little tighter. Just seems to me that the engineering that went into the G not GS is better thought out and that boat is just tighter. 230 was great don't get me wrong it's just not as solid as the G. I say all this because I believe the engineering on GS to be similar to G. Take for example the 230s lockers and how they are not as finished out as A G or GS. Doesn't sound like much but the G and how the hull is assembled is just different. G/GS new tech.... 210/230 older tech... I'm maybe WAY off but I think they changed a lot in the way they assemble the hulls. Could also be that G is a battle ship compared to 230.

[charlesml3]

I'm maybe WAY off but I think they changed a lot in the way they assemble the hulls. Could also be that G is a battle ship compared to 230.

You are most definitely "way off." My neighbor has a G23 and we surf his boat one day, my 230 the next. There's no difference in the hull assembly. Or the rear lockers. I have no idea where you got that. We drive each other's boats as well. We all agree that the 230 drives better. The wakeboard wake behind the G23 is better. For surfing, it's a toss-up. The G23 surf wake is bigger, but not as long.

-Charles

[whitecaps]

You are most definitely "way off." My neighbor has a G23 and we surf his boat one day, my 230 the next. There's no difference in the hull assembly. Or the rear lockers. I have no idea where you got that. We drive each other's boats as well. We all agree that the 230 drives better. The wakeboard wake behind the G23 is better. For surfing, it's a toss-up. The G23 surf wake is bigger, but not as long.

-Charles

Charles, you may want to check that. It is my understanding that the 200, 210, and 230 are built differently. Or maybe I should say the G and GS's are built differently. Anyhow the way I understand it... the stringer assembly of the 200-230 are seperate systems that are placed in the hull just as its been done since 93. The G and GS stringer systems are done differently where the stringers are part of the lower deck. Only reason I know is that my wife and I toured the factory and this was explained to us along the way. They described it as totally different. Certainly not saying the new way is better, as a matter of fact it may not be as good...who knows.

[charlesml3]

Certainly not saying the new way is better, as a matter of fact it may not be as good...who knows.

And that's just it. From driving both boats now (the G23 for a couple of years) neither of us can tell any difference.

This actually reminds me of the old FUD that the Mastercraft and Malibu salesmen would use against Nautique. I remember one tried to tell a potential customer that Nautiques were inferior because "the top deck was screwed down instead of molded in." Now he couldn't show any evidence of any failure as a result. It was pure FUD.

-Charles

[MikeC]

I second whitecaps assessment of how the two hulls are built. The 210 and 230 use molded in stringers that take up most of the room in the hull, while the G and GS boats use a liner inside a hull which allows for a much deeper storage compartment. The ballast in the G boats is in bladders beneath the floor, while the 210/230 ballast has to sit above the stringer assembly. I can't find any pictures online of the different assembly methods, but it is two completely different designs and methods of assembly.

[lucky7t]

The big difference I see between the 230 and the G23 is money


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