New tige asr looks like they copied g23

[Miljack]

Tige is only reacting to the market forces, the G series have blown away the competition, so they must react. That Tige chose to so closely mimic the G doesn't say much for their product development group. Tige's "whale tail" for surfing is not a very elegant solution to the surfing add-ons in the market.

The water line of the Tige looks VERY similar to the G, and the transom (under the waterline) shape looks like a dead ringer for the G series...Given that it took CC ~3 years to develop their hull, it wouldn't surprise me if Tige runs into some teething issues with their "new" hull...

[Zach@n3]

I agree completely. A friend texted me yesterday morning and I tried to take a look at the boat on the Tige' website. I didn't see much so I went on about my day. Found the wake world forum and it's clearly evident what their intent was. I agree completely with that they tried to make the running surface as close to the G boat as possible judging by the aft end photos. They did have some good ideas in the thing but as usual it seems execution wasn't as good as the idea was. Not sure I like the idea of the walk thru being higher than the floor or no walk thru in the bow but the storage up there does look huge. The floor panels in the rear storage look identical to a G boat and the storage spaces they chose under the side seats. They missed out on the massive storage area under the observers seat like the G series have.

[biggator]

Even my buddy who owns a Tige was kind of floored by it.. said it looked like they just took a cast of a G and remade it. The interior layout is almost identical.. everything about it. Change the tower and take the graphics off and it would be almost impossible to tell the difference.

Of course.. he also said 'if I can get one for under 90.. I don't care if they ripped off your G!'.

[Zach@n3]

Ha, I think they have their big guns out for a price point on that boat. Well over 100 if I can guess.

[nyryan2001]

Do you guys think this is a case where the CEO surrounds himself with folks who tell him what he wants to hear vs the truth??

IMO this is a perfect case where the CEO has been led astray by a small group of folks. This happens to senior leaders in all sorts of organizations. They get compartmentalized, making millions, start thinking they have arrived, they are on to something.... and are led down a bad path.

Tige is a great boat company... I'd put them above Malibu in terms of quality and customer service, but I dont get this. The entire senior leadership of Tige should be thouroughly embarrased.

Tige CEO and top leadership desparately need an independent advisory council... to provide umbiased and un-connected FRESH feedback directly to CEO and top leadership BEFORE they make major decisions and investments. Its almost like the decision to copy this boat was done while CEO was on vacation, or he has no idea what is going on in the market WRT wakeboats.

[Wayward]

Probably the only positive on this boat is the sweet Wet Sounds system:
6 inboat XS-808
XS-10 sub
Sinister SD-2 and SD-6 amps
4 Rev10's with LED rings

Which is the only thing that Nautique should copy from the others. I can't think of anything that is bad on a G23..... Except the speakers. For such an awesome boat, it sure has a garbage sound system. It sounds like the speaker cones are made out of aluminum foil. A nice wetsounds system would be great.

[nyryan2001]

Just look at this picture!!! G23 much???

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[scottb7]

Whether one chooses to respect it or not "Market Follower" is a strategy in and of itself. I actually worked (not currently) for a gas station chain that admitted it was a follower. Well it did not sit particularly well with me I recognize it's place in the market.

‘Market Follower strategy’ is a strategy of product imitation. The innovator bears the expense of developing the new product, bringing in the technology, breaking entry barriers and educating the market. However, another firm can come along and copy or improve on the new product.


Although it probably will not overtake the leader, the follower can achieve high profits because it did not bear any of the innovation expense.Many companies prefer to follow rather than challenge the market leader. Many runner-up companies do not challenge the market leader.


The four follower strategies are as given below:
1. Counterfeiter: Copies the leader’s product and packages and sells it on the black market. E.g.pirated music/ movie CDs
2. Cloner: Copies the leader’s products as it is as well as name, packaging with slight variations.
3. Imitator: Copies some of the things from leader’s product but maintains difference in packaging, and other factors.
4. Adaptor: Launches improved products over that of the innovator’s.

[s_kelley2000]

Wow looks like a pretty close copy to me. The platform height sure looks like a screw up. When filled with ballast it looks like it will be a foot under water. That will probably affect the wake not to mention make it "fun" strapping on a board. Also looks like a huge step up from the platform into the boat.

[Bspot]

A Z3 is on average 10-15K less than the 230 so I would have to guess the ASR will be approximately 10-15K less than the G23.

[bsurfin]

It is nice to see that the G23 is the new benchmark, and CC should be proud of that. My guess is that the ASR will be about 20k less then a G23, if not its not worth buying....no NSS, tower is not as nice, gel coat will not be as nice, storage will not be as big, Tige dealer network is not on the same level of CC, and it will not have the CC fit and finish. Plus it has an indmar setup instead of PCM....Good news is this will force CC to be more competitive.

Does anyone know if they are running a zero off cruise control on the ASR, or if the Tige has a ballast puppy setup like Nautique?

[biggator]

Do you guys think this is a case where the CEO surrounds himself with folks who tell him what he wants to hear vs the truth??

IMO this is a perfect case where the CEO has been led astray by a small group of folks. This happens to senior leaders in all sorts of organizations. They get compartmentalized, making millions, start thinking they have arrived, they are on to something.... and are led down a bad path.

Tige is a great boat company... I'd put them above Malibu in terms of quality and customer service, but I dont get this. The entire senior leadership of Tige should be thouroughly embarrased.

Tige CEO and top leadership desparately need an independent advisory council... to provide umbiased and un-connected FRESH feedback directly to CEO and top leadership BEFORE they make major decisions and investments. Its almost like the decision to copy this boat was done while CEO was on vacation, or he has no idea what is going on in the market WRT wakeboats.

Wut? Tige above Malibu? Not even in the same ballpark.

[nyryan2001]

As you can see I have some experience... Malibu isn't the Malibu it was 5+ yrs ago... I'll leave it at that.

[V8 Killer]

Malibu isn't the Malibu it was 5+ yrs ago...

I don't have enough experience with Tige to compare its build quality to Bu, but I certainly agree with that statement Ryan. Bu has lost a lot of its edge. It was a very solid third place and at least belonged in the discussion with Nautique and MC, and specifically when comparing their top of the line against the X-Star and 210/230. Its fallen from the "bottom of the top" to just somewhere in the middle class.

[biggator]

As you can see I have some experience... Malibu isn't the Malibu it was 5+ yrs ago... I'll leave it at that.

Fair enough.. I know your posts well enough to know you don't blow smoke. My Malibu was great (it was an 06), but the new ones didn't impress me enough to keep me from buying a G. Malibu DOES dominate around here, though - mostly because the dealer is fantastic and is constantly sponsoring events, etc.