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  • Miljack
    1,000 Post Club Member
    • Dec 2004
    • 1624

    • Charlotte, NC

    • '08 230 TE ZR6

    #1

    Boat Recs for a newbie?

    Hi all,
    My brother-in law is looking for a boat, and he is a newbie. They are going to live on a large SE lake, and are not (yet) really into watersports. I love our PAN, my wife is ok with it (she really enjoys loading up with friends and finding a beach to hang out). This is probably what the inlaws will be doing, some tubing, skiing etc.. but skiing and wakeboarding won't be their PRIMARY activity.
    Sooo, the thought of throwing a newbie at an inboard boat is kinda a concern of mine with the low speed manueverability (or lack of), some of the other maintenance, etc..of owing an inboard or v drive.

    Any suggestions? Is the 226 or 211 a boat that a newbie could handle? Anyone out there with a 226 who loves/hates their boat? I think the resale on the 211 would be very good if they end up hating it, any thoughts? What are the 226's like as far as resale? Comments from those who have come from the I/O world?

    thanks,
    Jack
    2008 230 TE-ZR6
    1999 Pro Air Python-sold and moved away :-(
  • skinautique
    1,000 Post Club Member
    • Jul 2003
    • 1749

    • Colorado


    #2
    RE: Boat Recs for a newbie?

    I would recommend the 211 or the 216. Don't shy away from telling them to buy an inboard. The boats handle a lot better and are safer (prop and rudder tucked away from the swim platform). Resale on the 226 is great but that is probably more boat (size and money) than they want to spend.

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    • SGY
      Senior Member of PLANETNAUTIQUE
      • Jul 2003
      • 990



      #3
      RE: Boat Recs for a newbie?

      I agree with SN. The inboards are built better (for the most part) simpler, safer, more fun to drive, and have much better resale.

      Hey SN, where you been?

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      • JoeCos
        • Sep 2004
        • 291

        • Nor Cal


        #4
        Just a little background – before I purchased my 226, I owned a 2000 22’ cuddy cruiser stern drive. Until about last year, I realized that my family was outgrowing the cruiser and wanted more of everything. More of everything meant - more storage room, more seating space, more horsepower, more water sport options (wakeboarding, skiing etc). We typically are the type that would cruise around, go tubing, a little wakeboarding and ski. As the family and friends grew in number, the list of requirements got longer. So this year, I decided to sell the cruiser and settle for a boat that met pretty much all of the requirements or at least close to it. After countless research and several demo’s, I decided on the Nautique 226.

        We really like everything the 226 offered. The Space, size, and just the all-around capability of what this boat can do. It seemed the Perfect boat for us.

        So if you are, perhaps, looking for a family oriented type boat, “do just about anything and everything boat”, I highly recommend the 226. It handles very well considering it’s size and surprisingly great in handling choppy waters. I’ve had my Team 226 for over 4 months now and we just love it! Absolutely no regrets here. Now, as far as ease of driving it, it’s really not much harder than any outboard. Maybe a little getting use to the rudder’s slow response and how the Nautique’s reverse works. A little practice on the water should get your bro in law up n running in no time.

        If you have specific questions on the 226, do let me know and I will surely help you out.

        Hope this helps and wishing your bro-in law all the best in his research. I can tell you this, while researching, I felt that, the “other” brands didn’t even come close to the quality of a Correct Craft Nautique’s. Being a PAN owner, I’m sure you already know this.

        Joe
        Boat - 2005 Team 226 -ZR6 - Several Acme Prop's (1234, 644, 1160) Depending on occassion
        Tow Rig - 2008 Chevy Silverado - Duramax Diesel - Crew Cab

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        • bkhallpass
          1,000 Post Club Member
          • Apr 2005
          • 1407

          • Discovery Bay, CA

          • 2001 Super Air Nautique (Current) 1998 Ski Nautique (former) 1982 Ski Nautique (Current)

          #5
          Unless your friends are very wealthy people, I recommend
          a used boat (preferably and inboard).

          Less initial cost. Don't have to worry as much when they
          inevatibly bang it up. Won't take the depreciation hit. Should
          be able to sell it for almost as much as they paid.

          Can find out for themselves what they like/don't like. Boat too
          big, boat too small. Closed or open bow. How important is storage?
          Do we use this enough to make it worthwhile. Wish I had chosen
          a different color? Whatever.

          It will only take 1 good season, and they'll know whether they are
          adicted or not, and what is the right boat for them.

          My $.02

          BKH
          2001 Super Air

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          • SNMike
            1,000 Post Club Member
            • May 2005
            • 1001

            • Florida


            #6
            What BKH said!!! :grin: Mike
            2007 Ski Nautique 196 Limited/ PP/ Mods
            Ludwig Classic Mapple Double Bass/ Zildjian Overhead

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            • skiswm
              • Mar 2005
              • 165

              • SF Bay Area/Truckee CA


              #7
              I also agree with what BKH said. Save some money and see what they are really into. If it's wakeboarding then a bigger boat would be good, but if they start to love waterskiing, then they'd want the small flat wakes of something like the 196. The most important thing is to have fun and if they aren't really good with boats and buy a brand new boat.......bash it into a dock while trying to learn to dock it. The fun meter.........wouldn't be too high. Save the money, learn what they (you) like and if need be upgrade at a later time.

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              • ag4ever
                1,000 Post Club Member
                • Feb 2004
                • 1180



                #8
                Personally, if your are not really hardcore into watersports, then a I/O would be a good decision. I know that won't be popular around here, but for 95% of the boating population heck probably 99.9% an inboard is not the "best" boat.

                I got a CC because I always wanted one, not because it fit our needs the best. We go out on Travis a lot, and we could use a boat that handles the chop better. That means not an inboard. It does not matter which inboard you have, they will never handle as good as a decent I/O will in the chop.

                If I did not have the SANTE, I would have a Cobalt and if I had bought that instead I would have been just as happy. But since I got the CC, I absolutly love it, and don't want the Cobalt.

                Either way, I would only recomend what makes them pasionate about getting on the water. If the poor handling at slow speeds will keep them away, then the less than stellar handling at high speeds might be better for them. If they are patient people and willing to learn, then they would be just fine with an inboard.

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                • fsts2k
                  • Nov 2004
                  • 219



                  #9
                  Well, I have zero history with boats other than the fact that I wanted a Nautique. Our first family boat was the 226 TE which I have a total of seven hours on right now. Therefore I cannot give you a long term review but I have three weekends on it. In summary, it is perfect.

                  We have a lot (house is being built) on a large lake in WI, the lake gets very busy during the summer and winds can make serious chop. I had initilally wanted a 210 but after much discussion with dealers (Nautique, Malibu, and Mastercraft) we determined that a ~23 foot boat was minimum.

                  I wanted a boat which could cruise with six people while having wine and cheese, wakeboard, open water ski, tube, etc.

                  The first weekend we had the boat out, there where 2 foot waves and with a little speed, the boat handled it perfect. Then this last weekend I was up early when the water was calm and we took it out for a couple of sets with the ski and wakeboard, too fun. The boat is perfect for us.

                  As to the comment about I/O, I have ridden a fair amount on different I/Os and non (same size <24 feet long) felt more stable than the 226 in chop (granted I only have 7 hours on the boat).

                  On a bit of a tangent, I always see comments about HP and if 330 is enough. Let me tell you that when I ski with six people in the boat and me behind on one ski (190 lbs) I pop out of the water.

                  Great boat!

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                  • Mikeski
                    1,000 Post Club Member
                    • Jul 2003
                    • 2908

                    • San Francisco, CA

                    • Current 2005 SV 211, due for upgrade! GS22 or GS24 perhaps? Previous

                    #10
                    I always try to convince my friends to go straight to something like a 211 and they usually go for a I/O based on price differences. I guess it's not a bad way to go if they get a V8 I/O.

                    the beaten path:

                    year 1 - garden variety V6 I/O (complaints of lack of power by the end of the first season)
                    year 2 - trade in boat at boat show for similar boat with V8 (complain that they can't hold a speed by the end of second season)
                    year 3 (or 4 if money is limited) - upgrade to wakeboard/waterski boat like a 211 or 226

                    Sometimes it comes down to competing needs and when the wakeboarder to be cannot explain what the difference is for a $20k price premium to the spouse... well I guess that's why so many I/Os are sold.

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                    • Deuce
                      • Apr 2004
                      • 254

                      • Murray, Utah


                      #11
                      I could not agree more with what ag4ever said. I sold my Cobalt and purchased my current boat(SAN). I am happy as a clam and have no plans to go back anytime soon. My wife misses the Cobalt.

                      An I/O will never tow like an inboard. But an inboard will never provide some of the benefits of a quality I/O....everything is a tradeoff.

                      If they do get the watersport bug, Mikeski makes a very good point.

                      Resale on Cobalt boats is as good as it gets.

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                      • skinautique
                        1,000 Post Club Member
                        • Jul 2003
                        • 1749

                        • Colorado


                        #12
                        Re: RE: Boat Recs for a newbie?

                        Originally posted by SGY

                        Hey SN, where you been?
                        Sitting out and periodically crusing through the posts. In other words, trying to spend more time on the water and less on the computer!

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                        • Miljack
                          1,000 Post Club Member
                          • Dec 2004
                          • 1624

                          • Charlotte, NC

                          • '08 230 TE ZR6

                          #13
                          Thanks for all of the responses, this thread looks like the thought process going through my head! I was not going to point them towards an "entry level" boat, and was thinking of a 22-24' "premium" I/O along the lines of a Cobalt or SeaRay. After looking at the prices of these 2-4 year old boats, I realized they are approaching the cost of a Correct Craft!
                          The problem is, I think they would prefer the V drive layout of the 211 or 226, or 210 for that matter, however, the room in the 211 or 226 is great. Unfortunately these boats are so new, that not many exist in the 2-4 year old range, and their price level is probably going to be more than I would feel comfortable recommending. Their ceiling price is prob. $40k.

                          Ok, donning asbestos flak jacket, any thoughts on the Mastercraft V drives? They could get a 2-4 yr old X series or VRS boat, and get rid of it if they hated it, or wanted to upgrade to a CC. Any thoughts on these? Resale?

                          fire at will,
                          Jack
                          2008 230 TE-ZR6
                          1999 Pro Air Python-sold and moved away :-(

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                          • SGY
                            Senior Member of PLANETNAUTIQUE
                            • Jul 2003
                            • 990



                            #14
                            No flames here. MC and BU are great boats. I just don't know much about them--especially v-drives.

                            The Link below is a SV-211 for sale at $46,000 on Flipsale.com

                            http://flipsell.com/Phase3/home/Disp...VehicleID=7657

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                            • Deuce
                              • Apr 2004
                              • 254

                              • Murray, Utah


                              #15
                              You should be able to pick up a GREAT V-Drive if they are willing to spend 40 K. Probably could find a 211 or 226 around that price as well....just a quick search on boattrader.com found a 211 and 226 for just over their 40K.

                              It should also be noted that there is a 210 team(less than 100 hours) for sale on this site for under their 40K. If they want a great boat at a GREAT deal...that is woth looking at.

                              As far as Mastercraft....I think they make a great boat and "almost" pulled the trigger on an X-2 before getting my 210. I don't know much about their bigger boats, but love the X-2....love the MC ZeroFlex tower and integrated racks.

                              So to sum this up....big non CC V-Drive boats worth looking at.... Tige(22 & 24V), Malibu LSV, MC....X-10 & 30, Supra 22 & 24 SSV...there are others....but that is my quick list. If they want to go a little smaller, (I think the Tige 20V is just too small), the Malibu VLX, MC X-2 and Supra 21V..... So of the listed models above are new and may be difficult to find at 40 K..... But I think with that price point, you can find "almost" every boat above.

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