Jeep using Nautique G23 in advertising.

[bsurfin]

You do realize that a full tank of gas is 500 more pounds and the trailer is another 1500+ lbs.
Tahoes, Yukons and Suburbans are much heavier vehicles than a Jeep, with a wider and longer wheelbase, therefore much more stable to tow with.

2005 Tahoe Z71 has a curb weight of 5130lbs max towing capacity of 7800 /GCVWR 13,000lb a 5.3L 295hp 335ftlb toruqe 4 speed trans
2012 Grand cherokee Limted Hemi 4x4 5020lbs max towing capacity of 7200lbs /GCVWR 13,100lb a 5.7L 360hp 390ftlb torque 6 speed trans load leveling rear suspension and trailer sway control....much larger brakes then the Tahoe also.

FWIW the FMVSS standards get more stringent each year, they make it more difficult each model year to meet requirements. A tow rating today has more testing and harder standards to pass then vehicles made 5-10 years ago.

If people want to speak numbers Im cool with that...Would a F450 tow better then a Grand cherokee....FOR SURE. Is an F450 needed to tow a G boat....NOT AT ALL. I have owned F150s, F250s, and several F350s and several GM HD duramax trucks. They tow much better and have more power, no doubt. WIll a 7200lb tow package SUV/Truck pull a G boat safely to the lake.....FOR SURE. Will a HD truck do it easier.....FOR SURE. I tow multiple trips a week under 40 miles total and speeds under 55mph. If I were traveling hundreds of miles on the highway multiple times per year then yes I would consider a larger tow vehicle. Considering my circumstances the tool I have will work for the job more then adequatley and safely. For others that travel longer distances at higher speeds then this may not be an option that is feasible for them. I will for sure send a picture of our setup when I get my G23.

-According to Nautique a G23 is 5400lbs without accesories/fuel/fluids
-Phoniex 2 axle G23 trailers are 1400-1600lbs
-Half a tank of fuel is 200lbs for the G23

[bsurfin]

You're going to be at least 1,000 pounds over your stated tow rating, assuming you carry absolutely nothing else in your boat. Are you really going to risk this? If anything happens, insurance won't cover you. Please don't do this...

Im curious where did you find this specification that says you need atleast a 1000 pounds over your tow rating? Do you work for the automotive industry? Are you familar with the ASME or FMVSS towing standards to quantify your numbers or is this a rule of thumb that you grew up towing to? Im not trying to be a condesending I would just like to know where this came from.

People have a tendency to overkill when it comes to tow vehicles, there is nothing wrong with this....This helps the OEMs sell more and more trucks every day because they can tow more then the model year before.

We towed a Tige RZR last year 1500 miles with a 2012 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon with a max tow package (3500lbs). This included highway driving of trips up to 300 miles one way. I would not reccomend doing this and we did it, not proud of it but it worked. At the time I did not know how overloaded we were......We sold it at the end of the season and upgraded to the grand cherokee for the 13,100 GCVWR rating that the GC now has.

[NautiqueJeff]

That's not what i said. I said you're going to be at least 1,000 pounds over your stated tow rating. By your own numbers you're over your tow rating, and your numbers are not accurate. Who goes to the lake with a boat with no gear and half a tank of gas? Nobody I know. And you are ordering your boat with absolutely no options?

[bsurfin]

That's not what i said. I said you're going to be at least 1,000 pounds over your stated tow rating. By your own numbers you're over your tow rating, and your numbers are not accurate. Who goes to the lake with a boat with no gear and half a tank of gas? Nobody I know. And you are ordering your boat with absolutely no options?

sorry my misunderstanding.

I want to get some answers from Nautique to better understand the weight of this boat. From what Im thinking right now I should be right at the limits

5400lb boat
1450lb trailer
200lbs gas
200lbs add ons

Thats 7250lbs according to the manufacture. 2012-14 GC has a GCVWR rating which is 13,100. That allows 5020lbs for the Jeep with full tank of fuel and fluids. That leaves 830lbs for occupants/gear in the jeep to still meet the GCVWR rating for this vehicle....it will use the full limit! lol

[scottb7]

I use about the full tow limit of 5000lbs on wife's 2001 mercedes ml320 to tow my 210 plus trailer, but I don't go far, or over like 40 mph. My opinion is just that closer to limit slower you have to go. Time to stop, time to respond, etc. But you know all that.

[CradGen2]

Find my name in this post. This is whyyou shouldn't run up to the limit. I have towed all my life, if it would have been any other time of day where and when this happened, I don't even want to think what would have happened. And I was under the limit of the car.

http://www.planetnautique.com/vb3/sh...=ford+explorer

[surroundsound64]

Find my name in this post. This is whyyou shouldn't run up to the limit. I have towed all my life, if it would have been any other time of day where and when this happened, I don't even want to think what would have happened. And I was under the limit of the car.

http://www.planetnautique.com/vb3/sh...=ford+explorer

Scary

[bsurfin]

i spoke to Ron at Nautique and he said you should plan on a G23 with trailer/accesorries to come in between 7800-8000lbs. Im waiting to hear back from my buddy that is part of the SRT development team. Im trying to find some information about the picture Jeep put out there with the G23 being pulled by the SRT8 GC.

[bsurfin]

Today we pulled our Tige RZ2 with my buddies 2013 Silverado 1500 Z71. Him and I both agreed that my hemi grand cherokee had better pulling power, braking and was just as solid while towing the boat. His 13 Silverado 1500 Z71 extended cab has a 9600lb towing capacity and weighs 5200lbs and has a 15000lb GCVWR. My GC has a 7400lb towing capacity, weighs 5020lbs and has a 13100lb GCVWR.

[CradGen2]

Today we pulled our Tige RZ2 with my buddies 2013 Silverado 1500 Z71. Him and I both agreed that my hemi grand cherokee had better pulling power, braking and was just as solid while towing the boat. His 13 Silverado 1500 Z71 extended cab has a 9600lb towing capacity and weighs 5200lbs and has a 15000lb GCVWR. My GC has a 7400lb towing capacity, weighs 5020lbs and has a 13100lb GCVWR.

Yes I agree my silveraldo does not tow well. Barely pulls my 196 at an acceptable level.

[surroundsound64]

Yes I agree my silveraldo does not tow well. Barely pulls my 196 at an acceptable level.

I think today's 1/2 ton trucks are geared for highway mileage, not towing. This is why my last 2 trucks have been 3/4 ton diesels. You can buy a 3/4 ton diesel for the same price as a half ton truck. Mileage is about the same and you can tow worry free.

[Surfsmith]

Today we pulled our Tige RZ2 with my buddies 2013 Silverado 1500 Z71. Him and I both agreed that my hemi grand cherokee had better pulling power, braking and was just as solid while towing the boat. His 13 Silverado 1500 Z71 extended cab has a 9600lb towing capacity and weighs 5200lbs and has a 15000lb GCVWR. My GC has a 7400lb towing capacity, weighs 5020lbs and has a 13100lb GCVWR.

As has been stated multiple times "pulling or towing" is only part of the issue. I just moved from a Grand Cherokee (non hemi, but had HD towing pkg) to a Suburban. Yes, the Suburban is a little slower up to speed than the GC was, but everything else, including braking, the Burb is head and shoulders above the GC. I would not consider going back to GC no matter what the numbers are - longer wheel base is key for me. I do long distance hauling and safety and comfort is more important than "towing." Once I got the boat, gear, dog, kids, kitchen sink, etc. all loaded the front tires on the GC were "lightly loaded." Get on a bumpy highway for an hr or 2 and your knuckles will be white from the tail trying to wag the dog with the GC, not to mention your neck gets sore from all the motion. This was with a 200V and tandem trailer.
Also, I just got 19.7 mpg on a trip to Colorado (not towing boat!) best I ever got on the GC was 16.2. YMMV

Most of the Suburbans come with 3.05 axles, I searched hard and got a 3.42, probably the 3.73 would be much better, but could not justify the hit in gas mileage going to a 3/4 ton.

To each their own, but other than the acceleration, the Burb is a clear winner for me.

[rodltg2]

I just towed a g23 about 60 miles. About 40 highway , 20 surface streets , with my 2013 gmc 1500 2wd Vortex 5.3 and 3.42 gearing. I knew it could do it , but was nervous how well. It felt great. No problem braking/ stopping , starting from a stop or even passing a truck on freeway. I would prefer to have 4wd for the ramps though. Since its not my boat I don't need to worry about that , but for short hauls I think my truck would work great.

[bsurfin]

I just towed a g23 about 60 miles. About 40 highway , 20 surface streets , with my 2013 gmc 1500 2wd Vortex 5.3 and 3.42 gearing. I knew it could do it , but was nervous how well. It felt great. No problem braking/ stopping , starting from a stop or even passing a truck on freeway. I would prefer to have 4wd for the ramps though. Since its not my boat I don't need to worry about that , but for short hauls I think my truck would work great.

Thats how I look at towing a G. My local dealer has sold 10+ G23s this year and they said they have towed with several older half tons, and SUVs and no one has had an issue towing them or felt uncomfortable.