Weighting an older 210 hull....

[delmage171]

For those of you with older 210s. Where does this boat like to have the most weight?

I currently have

400lb vdrive sacs for the rear
400lb vdrive ski locker sac
1000lb triangle bow sac under my front seats

I would like to swap the 400lb vdrives for 750s & ski locker for the 680lb seat sac but I am assuming I would have to reprop to get out of the water. I am still running the stock prop.

I also thought about getting just the 680lb seat sac for my ski locker for this year which would hopefully avoid having to reprop until next year, but if this is going to be too much
weight up front to mess up the shape of my wake I will wait until next year to do all of the upgrades.

All of the 400lb bags came out of my previous boat incase anyone was wondering why i wouldnt have just bought the bigger bags in the first place

Thanks

[johnboyy7]

are you wanting to surf or wb? i have 04 running 750 in lockers, sometimes 400 on back seat, ski locker stock full, 600 in bow. reproping helps a lot! you need to run atleast 23 or 24 with this set up so it wont wash out of one side. its finiky going slower. with speed up its a great wake an easy to keep clean on both sides.

[delmage171]

I will be doing both, I mainly wakeboard, but my friends like to surf also.

I know reproping would help alot, it is just another $5-600 to spend

Just trying to see if I am going to have to much weight up front if I add a 680lb bag

[crobi2]

I put 750s in the lockers, 590 in ski locker and 500 horseshoe under the front seats. The GT-40 with stock prop will JUST get it on plane. If there are people in the boat they will have to move to the bow until you are up. It is undoubtedly really bad to run the motor like that, but once on plane it will hold speed. My stock prop is the OJ 14x18. If you want to run that weight consistently, you will have to reprop.

Unless you just immediately have to have a stupendous wake, why not just run the 400s in the back and experiment with the 400 center bag to tune the wake. It will be killer just with that unless you ride at more than 24 mph. Both sides will still be clean even down to 20 mph. To run the 750s you need to go at least 22 1/2 23 mph.

To surf that hull, pile everything you got on one side pretty evenly but with the most in the rear.

[jimmyj]

funny when people asks why you wanna run so much weight. thats the boat owners deal. if he wants to sink the dang thing, who cares. big wakes are fun...

saying so,

i run 400s in the back, 700+ in the belly and 200-300 lead in the front. i liek vertical walls, so put just enough in the front where it doesnt bounce.

with just a few in teh boat, wake in ok. least what i consider ok. some people may say its big, small, sucks. with 5-6 in the boat, it jams. with 6+ it jams harder.

so if its just 2-4 in the boat and i feel like it, ill add another 400 on the back seat and 400 on top of the center ski locker.

i have the 856 somethign or another prop. gt40 does fine with standard sacks and few folks. when i start pushing more weight, i def coudl use another prop.

weight the piss out of it. buy another prop. u wont regret the 500.........

[seth]

750's in back, custom locker sac that fills the whole thing, integrated bow sac under front seats, 400 on the floor with one end touching back seat, 400 across the bow filled to about 300. Wake is nasty. I run the Acme 1236. You will see a difference adding the 680 to the locker. It will probably mellow the wake out a little bit, but it will be super hard. You should still be able to get on plane. Why dont you get the prop this year and then get all the sacs next year? Once you run the right prop, you will regret not getting it earlier.

[crobi2]

Hey Seth, what speed does your wake clean up at? I can ride down to 22mph with the 750s, the 590 center and 500 integrated front. We have riders that go 25 mph at 85 ft and they tell me it's still huge and solid as concrete.

@JimmyJ - I guess I was only trying to say that if he's going to run this much weight, he's going to have to get the new prop now.

P.S. Seth - How much do you think the integrated bow sac actually manages to hold? I've been guessing about 500#

[delmage171]

Hey guys! Thanks for your input!

I ride at around 23-24mph with 2500-2600lb in my buddies 01 xstar and it is wicked, so the speed shouldn't be too big of an issue! I am hoping with my setup I will be somewhat close in wake size and then when I do upgrade the bags as well as a prop it will dwarf his wake.

I was just assuming with the 1000lb bow (probably 6-700lb under the front seat) and adding the 680lb ski locker my boat would come out of the hole no problem with so much weight up front while using the stock prop, for now....

I will want 750s eventually just cause we do surf and the wake with twin 750s, 680 ski locker and triangle bow should be off the charts. Everything is plumbed in on jabscos as well

I am not sure which prop to run, I have looked into the Acme 1464 as this is the one wakeprops recommends with running 2-3000lbs

[crobi2]

Ah, now I get it, you're asking about the 1000# in the front. I wouldn't use it at all until you put the 750s in the back. With a four hundred in each v-drive locker and that 400 in the ski locker filled, your GT-40 with stock prop won't even notice that unless you got 10 heavy peoples on board. At 23 mph, the wake ought to still be big and solid. If you ballast the front too much you're going to start to lose the wake and take every wave over the bow. Now if I was going to ride at 24-25 mph, I would probably want to use the whole shindig with 750s, 600+ ski locker and 500+ bow ballast (and new prop of course). Did you see the settup Seth runs? The wake must be legendary. Notice that he's running the GT-40 with a 1236 (13.5d x 14.25p), the thing must leap out of the hole. If I remember right, the 1236 has a hair more cup (.150) than the 1464 (.105).

The GT-40 produces hella torque that comes on early in the rpm range and lasts up through max horsepower. It's nearly unbelievable that they used to come stock with a 14" diameter 18 pitch propeller.

[seth]

If im not running the two 400's I ride at 23.2 and 75'. With the 400's I ride 23.7 and 80' or 82'. I would guess the integrated bow sac gets between 300-400lbs. I also run at least 80lbs of lead in the nose. The pics in my profile are with it fully sacked out.

[delmage171]

Seth,

your wake pics are unreal!

If you guys were in my position which would you do first?

-I could leave it alone (thats no fun)
- add 680 ski locker bag (no prop for this summer)
- new prop (which one? and geared towards a 2500-3000lb ballast)
- or Perfect Pass (I have a 96 SSN so I do not have perfect pass yet, i drove my 89 ski nautique with 1500lb no problem on speed but I am concerned this may be a little harder to keep the speed)

[GC]

Since you already have some ballast I would do Perfect Pass first.

[crobi2]

You've got your hull, you got your tower, you got ballast (you can add moveable ballast by inviting people), your prop will work until you load up over 2000#, soooo - I would get perfect pass since then, you will also have plenty of drivers (anyone who can drive a straight line). You would hate driving perfect pulls for everyone and getting sloppy throttle control when you're riding.

[seth]

Yep, I would also do PerfectPass.

[GoBig]

Yup, +1 for PP first.