2008 211 - New Engine

[oklaking]

Here is my sad tale..
Went to get my 2008 211 winterized/oil changed this fall and was told that the engine oil is milky, I had checked oil all summer and never noticed any milky color to the oil or had any overheating or other engine issues. The boat was not being winterized at an authorized dealer so I took it to an authorized dealer. They are advising me that it is probably an engine crack due to not being winterized correctly last year. The dealer that winterized it last year and the two years before and where we bought the boat is no longer an authorized Nautique dealer. I have contacted my insurance agent and was advised my insurance does not cover frost damage.

So it appears I will be getting a new engine..the dealer it is at now advised on getting a rebuilt engine from Jasper vs. a PCM engine.

Couple of questions:
Any other options I should pursue before paying for this myself, suing the dealer who screwed up the winterization??
How will getting a rebuilt engine from Jasper effect re-sale value vs. getting a PCM engine?
Is $7000 excessive for new engine and installation?

Thanks for any advise..obviously I am no expert on boat engines.

[bsb4fsu]

That sucks, sorry to hear that. Did the dealer give you a price on the PCM engine? If it is a small difference between the Jasper and PCM, I would go for the PCM for re-sale value. I would also think the PCM would be warranted through a Nautique dealer.

I don't know much about marine engines either, but $7000 sounds a little high.

[j2nh]

I would contact both the dealer as well as Correct Craft. While they may not currently be a dealer the work was done while they were under the Correct Craft banner. Not saying they should pick up the entire cost but I would think that CC could get an engine at a better price and the former dealer should do the work for a steeply discounted price.

I am struggling with the fact that the block was cracked and you were able to operate the boat all summer without noticing water in the oil and that the engine continued to operate correctly. Are you SURE the block is cracked? What about a head gasket failure towards the end of the season? That seems much more likely to me. I would not do anything until I had someone else look at the engine, I would think the dealer that did the work would be willing to do that for free. The more I think about it the less inclined I am to think that the block is actually cracked. No expert but this does not sound right. If nothing else the freeze plugs should have popped if water and not antifreeze was left in the block.

Keep us posted. Get somebody else to take a look before you commit to anything.

[swooddc]

I agree, hard to believe you ran it all summer if it happened last winter. 2nd opinion in order. If you wind up needing a motor I would check With tim at Inboard Solutions he has some complete ZR6 engines, don't know if that would work for you but thats where I would go first.

http://www.inboardsolutionsllc.com/I...ine_Parts.html

[TxJole]

Seems high to me. I had twin 502's short blocks put in a boat 2 years ago for around 9k. That was a boat I picked up for cheap due to freeze damage.

[GC]

If your dealer is recommending a Jasper engine for 7K installed I would look for another dealer. A new long block form Discount Inboard Marine is about $3,300.

[j2nh]

The more I think about it the more I am convinced that you are looking at a head gasket leak. That is a far cry from replacing the engine and might be under warrantee if you meet CC's ownership criteria.

[Nautiquehunter]

They are condemning the engine with out finding the exact cause of the problem? This all sounds fishy to me. Cost of the Jasper sounds high. Going the full season with a cracked block . Definitely get it out of there and to somebody that can correctly diagnose the problem . Not just guess and replace everything.
You may want to change your insurance. I have BoatUS they only insure boats and offer Freeze damage coverage.

[DanielC]

You need to get a second opinion on the damage to the block. It is possible that you may just have a condensation problem. The block need to be sealed up, and pressure checked.

The plugs that are in the holes on the sides of the block are not freeze plugs. The holes are there to get sand out of the block after it is cast. They are not there to protect the block from frozen water.

[AirTool]

I may have missed it...not sure which engine you have.

Another source of water in the oil is the intake manifold gasket. I VERY common problem on 5.7 engines with fresh water cooling.

[oklaking]

Thanks for all the replies, I will talk to the mechanic at the dealer and make sure he has checked all the items you have mentioned before looking at complete engine replacement. The mechanic said that the freeze plugs were still in place, but one was slightly protruding? (Once again, I am no engine expert so don't know if that is valid or not) I have also contacted Correct Craft and waiting to hear back from them. Our 211 has the 343 engine and we bought it new in 2009, only has about 150 hours on it.

[shag]

There would be no way that the boat would operate normally all summer with a cracked block. 7K is too high, even for a new engine in my opinion....

[pzthk6]

If an engine change is still required in the end, I would stick with a PCM. They do offer discounted engines that are not "new", but rebuilt to some level. I believe they even have 3 different ratings (and thus price levels) pending how much rebuild was necessary.
Personally, I've never heard of Jasper, and that is probably for a good reason.
If not a PCM, at least stick with a widely known marine engine (mercruiser, indmar, marine power, etc.).

[swc5150]

We had the same problem with an Indmar, and it was blown head gasket. I agree with the group, that running a season on a cracked block just doesn't seem right.

[xrichard]

Might be worth contacting PCM directly...CC doesn't provide the engine warranty.