220 surf wake

[RLS]

My experience with wake size and shape have a lot to do with a combination of bottom shape, weight, weight placement and speed. Each boat is different. I have a 211 that has a good medium wake. I surf with a guy that has a Sanger 230. He is about 340 pounds so he needs as much wake as he can get. His wake is very big and steep with a good length pocket. If he removes about 500 pounds the pocket is longer, the wake is not as steep and I like it much better but he has a hard time. I have a friend with a Malibu XTI. It make a great looking wake on both sides but I do not get much push.

I guess what I am saying is each boat can produce different types of wakes. It depends on how much weight and where you put it. It looks like the 220 can produce a great wake and you could tune it to what you like. I think that is true for most V-drives.

[racerxxx44]

220 sante surf ballast set up?

I have a 2006 SANTE and have been trying to find a perfect wieght set up for surfing. Where do you put all the wieght and what type of sacs?

[HS]

Worm, that's sick!

Calendar shot on pic 3.

[coinless]

What about a 230?

I have a 210 and I struggle to surf more than a few feet off the platform. I have the ski locker full, rear tanks full, and another sac on top of drivers side.

Any suggestions on lengthening the pocket?

Also, Anyone with a 230 chime in. How does it perform. Too much boat to weight? Just right?

[TRO]

my 230 gets pretty big, but not very long. i have the port rear hard tank full, a 750 in the rear locker, a 750 on the port seat in the back, a 750 on the floor right next to the port seat, the belly tank full, and about 500 or so in the playpen.

[tdc_worm]

what speed are you running your 230? with that much weight you should have no problem dialing in the 230....

[WakeSlayer]

TRO,

I think you have too much weight in the back. That will shorten the wave considerably.

[uwhusky]

In my 220 I have the gate in ski mode, 10-12mph, factory port and center tank full, plus 150# lead in the nose, a 600# sac in the ski locker, a 400# in the port storage, 300# under the rear port seats, 400# on top of the port seats, 400# on the floor on the port side. These are all fly-high prox and two of them are plumbed into stock system, the other 3 have to be filled manually. This is the setup i use with 2-4 people in the boat, if there are more people then we will start by eliminating the floor sac, then on top of the seats, and so on. It may seem excessive, but I have played with less weight and placing weight in different places and this has been the best setup for advanced surfing 10-15 feet behind the boat. With the VLX we use slightly less weight volume, similar placement, wedge up.

Man that is a lot! I just bought a 220, have not even taken it out yet. I'm a beginning surfer. I was planning to see how it rides with the stock ballast (3 tanks) and go from there. Will I even get a surfable wake from that? I'll have at least 3 adults (~450 pounds) and two small children in the boat with me most of the time.

I don't want to put lead in my boat but I will go out and buy fatsacs until I get the wake I need or want. What do folks recommend in terms of a surfable wake? I can build on it from there.

[rugdog65]

uwhusky....you can get a surfable wake in a 220 without a lot of extra weight and sacs. we surf starboard in ours with that tank full as well as 1/2 to full front stock tank. we do have some extra concrete cylinders spread out in our boat (my son and I go out alone some) but not very much. with my set up-a driver-couple of people in back corner and a couple of people up front you will get a good surfable wake.

[TRO]

what speed are you running your 230? with that much weight you should have no problem dialing in the 230....

i was running around 12.5. i switched to 10.5 this last time out to ride starboard and it worked pretty well.

[TRO]

TRO,

I think you have too much weight in the back. That will shorten the wave considerably.

do you think i should even it out and add some more weight to the front and keep all the weight in the back

OR

just use less weight in the back?

i've had the 750 filled completely in the playpen before and it was decent.

i'm under the impression that I should only add weight to the side i'm surfing (usually port side). is that usually accurate?

[WakeSlayer]

TRO

To start, I think just drop some of the weight in back. That is a lot to have back there just on one side.

Of course I am generalizing here as I do not have a 230. I have found that if you overload the rear locker, the sweetspot shrinks considerably. Try just put like 500 in the bag, instead of filling it.
Other than the dead weight I have in the bow, adding weight there has never worked for me. I have tried numerous times to use a 400lb sac in various states of fill and in the end, drained it, and threw it back on the dock. I mess around with my set up a little pretty frequently. Sometimes I will leave 100-125 in front of the spotter seat when riding starboard, passenger opposite of driver, stuff like that.

I am back heavy, but not too much. You will figure it out after some more trial and error. One benefit I have with the way my auto system is installed is I can drain on the fly. So if anything, I overfill, and drain the rear sac to tune the wake while the rider is out there.


TDC, 12.5 is pretty fast, if you ask me. I run my boat at 10.3 on the PP (both sides), not sure what actual is, probably more like high 9's. I will gps this weekend if the weather is not too crappy.

[johnboyy7]

Im struggling with my surf. I can't get away from the platform. I have 750 in locker, 400 on gunnel ( when ridin port), 400 on bow seats running parallel w/boat, belly ballast full.

[WakeSlayer]

Johnboy

Drop about 250 out of the rear bag, See if you can get a couple hundred lbs under the passenger side seat. POP bags or otherwise. Set the PP at around ~10.3. Put all passengers on the riders side You ought to have all the wake you need to get going right there. You want to ride in the middle third of the wave, that is where all the power is. Keep the nose of the board pointing the same direction as the nose of the boat, or inward slightly. If you are pointing out, you will have no power at all. Front foot is the gas pedal, back foot is the brake pedal. It takes a lot more time to develop speed than to lose it. Your boat will be a bit better on the starboard side, due to prop rotation, but port will be fine.
What board? how much do you weigh?

[tdc_worm]

i own both a 220 and a 236. in each boat i run 750s in the rear locker (they do not get all the way full in the 220 locker). i run a w705 sack in the floor locker...its rated for 650 lbs but probably only holds 4-500lbs. i also have a v sack piggy backed on to the center locker sack.

in the 220 i would run surf side tank, surf side locker sack, belly tank, and belly locker sack, and around 300 lbs of lead in the nose. hydrogate position didnt make a difference. speed was around 12 mph. the pictures i posted earlier in this thread were weighted as such.

in the 230 i run surf side tank, surf side locker sack, belly tank and belly locker sack. i also have recently picked up a pair of v drive sacks (v701, 400 lbs each). i fill one horizontally across the floor. the other i place on the surf side seat. the great thing about that setup is that you can actually roll the sack that from one side of the boat to the other when you are ready to switch surf sides. anywho...speed is about 11.5, hydrogate doesnt make a difference on the starboard side, on the port side it will clean the lip up just a hair.

one thing to keep in mind is that the vents will scoop water and plug your blower hoses...a little pin hole in the bottom of them should let that water drain...