Dealer won't take my boat in on trade because of upgrades???

[bowvan]

Slayer,

You can "T" into the raw water intake, before the impeller. It doesn't effect the cooling system. I've only seen it done with reversible pumps. People do it because they dont want to drill through the hull.

It's the same idea as the Flush-Pro. You can even use the Flush-Pro as the "T". They come with a device that keeps the check valve open. Your limited on the amount of gpm's you can flow.

[WakeSlayer]

I guess I can visualize it now. I still say it is idiotic.

[93nautique0710]

I guess I can visualize it now. I still say it is idiotic.

the owner of my nautique had a T that comes right off the water pick up i think its ok as long as it dont suck air thru the ballast pump and has cut of valves but i dont think i would use the engine pump to fill the ballast i dont really like it but im not drilling a hole

[bowvan]

I guess I can visualize it now. I still say it is idiotic.

Wakeslayer,

I can’t decide if it was ignorance or arrogance that led to that last remark. Either way, it’s ironic coming from someone who doesn’t fully understand the concept.

I can explain all the ways that this method not only works, but is perfectly safe and in no way affects the cooling system’s effectiveness. Just PM me and I will gladly elaborate.

Ryan

[WakeSlayer]

No thank you Ryan. I appreciate the analysis of my remark, however. If you truly feel that it is safe and a smart idea to supply a ballast system with the cooling lifeline to a $5-8k engine, be my guest. One forgetful minute and you are in big trouble. Bump that switch under way, forget that valve, connection failure, I can go on.

If anyone who is reading this is contemplating this please PM me, and I will elaborate why this is idiotic. Drill a hole, there are already several in your boat. It's really is ok.

[JWAT]

In case anyone is wondering...or cares, I drilled a separate hole for my ballast system :grin:

[WakeSlayer]

Sorry JWAT, Back to the discussion at hand... Your boat is one of the most desirable wakeboard boats made. These boats were/are the standard that all others were compared to. If the upgrades were done properly there is no reason the dealer should be worried about liability issues. I cannot say for certain between your boat and mine, but I doubt my deck is any thicker than yours to support a tower. I put one on a 92 BFN and it was extremely solid and installed better than a lot of the original SAN towers. Your ballast system, I am sure, is far superior to the one that came stock in a 99 SAN. Especially if you drilled a hole or two for it. Stereo gear is what it is. What boat were you looking at that made you want to get out of yours? I love the 07 and up 210's, but I just cannot make sense out of the difference in money they want for them vs what i have in mine.

[snowboardcorey]

I don't know who your dealer is and I am not here to throw anyone under the bus but there are simply some dealers who are not in a financial situation to take trades. Commercial lending has RADICALLY changed in the past year and dealer cash flow has had to change accordingly. I would bet that we will start to see additional dealers who don't or can't take trades.

Keep looking, there are more great deals out there and there are dealers taking trades (I just took one!) The industry has changed but its not gone.

[DanielC]

I am with Wakeslayer on this one. if it was better, and cheaper to just use one through hull fitting for ballast, and engine cooling water, boat makers would be doing it. To the best of my knowledge, not one make of wake boards boats uses the same through for both functions.

[Mikeski]

I have my impeller fill pump for the center tank currently plumbed into my fresh water cooling line, I had an impeller pump plumbed into the fresh water cooling line on my previous boat too. It's only idiotic if you are an idiot and don't understand water flow and internal combustion engine cooling systems. That said it has the capacity to create issues if you let your cooling water impeller get old, which is likely why they do not do it this way at the factory. I did it this way because it was easier and cheaper than drilling a new hole in my boat. I have no issues drilling more holes in my boat.

Maybe the dealer did not want to offend you by his low offer and felt that it was just better to tell you that he could not take your boat in at all. Based on what you are asking this might have been my answer if you wanted to trade it to one of my buddies? It's a beautiful boat and I would guess that it functions better than most brand new wakeboard rigs. I would also expect you to be very disappointed in the operation of the new boat's plumbing and electrical systems (as I was when I upgraded from my 1995 to 2005). That said, you need to understand that there are tons of cheap nice boats available right now.

My suggestion is to keep what you have and run it until it no longer serves your propose. Throw a For Sale sign in the window and wait for the right buyer to fall in love with your boat, then you can get more for it than the dealer could have sold it for. You are much more qualified to sell your boat than any dealer, as I was with my old boat, just be patient.

[WakeSlayer]

It's only idiotic if you are an idiot

Exactly. Yet it doesn't even take an idiot to make a small oversight that will wreck your motor. Quickly. It would be far more likely than say; forgetting the plug. or leaving the key on. Or.....

Your marine engine needs three things. Gas, air and water. It is silly to mess with any of the three.

Mike, I think I know how you handle yourself and your boat. You are in the smallest slice of minority. You may be safe in your situation. The vast majority of owners are not going to fit that profile. There is no way this is a safe practice. It is not one I would recommend to anyone.

[mf01]

I also T'ed into my raw water intake based on this article : http://www.wakeworld.com/Articles/20...astSystem2.asp
"For the water pickup line, tee into the raw water intake in the bilge as close to the hull as possible. "

I only see it being a problem if it robs the engine of cooling water. I monitor my temp if I fill with the engine on. Most of the time, the engine is still cold as I fill. When I dump, I don't see it being a problem as it would just add water.

[Nautiquehunter]

I dont understand the problem. When I fill ballast I am always at idle. The raw water intake is large enough to supply the engine at full throttle. So wouldn't it have more than enough to supply both ballast and engine at idle?

[CAN'TSKI]

"It's only idiotic if you are an idiot and don't understand water flow and internal combustion engine cooling systems."
Beggin your pardon MIKESKI, but I flunked ICECS class in college. I have benefited greatly from you techy type guys on this forum; but when it comes to some maneuver I have to do after a few beers to keep from blasting my engine...I'm with WAKESLAYER. Drill a dang hole and, better yet, let your dealer do it.

[vr6mole]

I am still trying to figure out how you would annex the ballast system to the cooling system. Think about it. That is just one of the stupidest things I have ever heard of doing with your boat. How would it even work?

It makes sense to some...only fill the tanks with the motor off...doesn't require drilling a new thruhull on the bottom.

Just run a check valve after the T so the motor doesn't "drain" the pumps when you are running.

Would I do it? No way.