200 booked thru December!!

[ClemsonDave]

I have yet to hear what the issue is with the 200. Lot's of talk about how many boats are sold. If you don't like the open bow, get the closed bow. From all the reports I have seen (friends that have driven/skied it, another who owns one), this boat has a better wake than the 196. That's saying a whole lot! They also say it drives marginally better. I'll admit the interior design will take some getting used to. When I first saw the gel coat pattern, I didn't like it, but it has already grown on me.

So.... it skis better, drives better, has more space for storage (a ski actually fits in the locker!), available in both open and closed bow ....what's the problem? Just top speed and price?

[TRBenj]

I too feel this is a compromise boat. I have not even seen one in person, yet, but common sense tells me that if Correct Craft can design a boat longer, wider, and heavier than the current 196, and have a better wake for sking, they could apply what they have learned in the design of the 200 hull, and make a new 196 that has an even better wake that the 200.

My thought is that Correct Craft no longer is building the best no compromise three event boat they could. Is the 200 a better boat than anything currently available? It very well could be. Is it the best Correct Craft could produce? I do not think so.

I agree 100%.

ClemsonDave, anyone who barefoots even semi-seriously or wants a boat that can pull multiple footers will want something that does at least 45. The 200 with the Excal at 43 just isnt going to get it done for these people. Most of the guys I know both slalom and barefoot- so I guess if they were to upgrade to a 200 they'd need the 409. Thats a big $$$ upgrade!

Wasn't the BFN a deeper/heavier hull? What was the top speed?

What's the top speed of a BFN , or "Tim's BFN" ?! Benj's BFN runs slightly over 42mph, from what I hear :mrgreen: Just slightly......

Ha, true story. Typical direct drive BFN's (made from 79-90) ran in the 47-50mph range with the 330hp 454. Our '79 has seen a little bit of tweaking and is a tad faster. :twisted: The BFN is in fact a heavier (2700+ lb), deep vee boat. Its not something you'd want to slalom behind- our SN/196's do a much better job at pulling barefooters than vice versa!

A bunch of people I ski with have TSC2's and they do everything well. I just dont think the 200 will meet our needs like the 196 does. We were genuinely excited to see how the new boat would perform- we're not afraid of change. We were just hoping for change for the better, thats all.

[Hollywood]

I admit, it's the best "family slalom" boat I've ever seen but that's about it...

[behindpropellers]

Just top speed and price?

Thats all....

What does it cost? anyway...?

When CC had the idea of the 176 from '96-'99 they had a great idea. The only thing that brought them down on that idea is what caused our economy to collapse (people would buy the latest and greatest regardless if they could actually PAY for it). Might be a good idea to look at that "economy" plan again.

Tim

[2gofaster]

I absolutely think the mfr's need an economy ski boat. Something that retails in the $32-35k range with a base single axle trailer and ZO. Something without a rear seat, no coming pads, analog gauges, etc. Just a drivers seat, observer's seat, and ZO.

[SNMike]

KoolAid.

I'm on my sixth 196, not because of their awards. As for KoolAid.........pffffft.......I'm an ultra conservative, and a fitness freak, I don't drink anyones KoolAid! Yellow_Flash_Colorz: Yellow_Flash_Colorz:

I'm sure that some do though!! 8-)

Mike

[ClemsonDave]

KoolAid.

I'm on my sixth 196, not because of their awards. As for KoolAid.........pffffft.......I'm an ultra conservative, and a fitness freak, I don't drink anyones KoolAid! Yellow_Flash_Colorz: Yellow_Flash_Colorz:

I'm sure that some do though!! 8-)

Mike

Not I.... My PB this year was behind an LXi! I honestly can't tell much difference behind any of the three. Now, driving is a whole different story!

[j2nh]

So.... it skis better, drives better, has more space for storage (a ski actually fits in the locker!), available in both open and closed bow ....what's the problem? Just top speed and price?

I did not think it skied better. Wake was different, but I would not say better. I did not think it drove better. It does handle rough water better.

It is difficult to see the speedo when you drive. Not an issue if all you did was ski in the course.
You have to watch the undercuts on the motorbox when the rope plays out. It can get caught unlike the 196 where it rides up the side.
The motorbox is tall. Our show club uses 196's and because of the height I am not sure if a show trick release will fit.
And as you mentioned it is slower and costs more.

Fit, finish and materials are outstanding.

[oldslalomskier]

I absolutely think the mfr's need an economy ski boat. Something that retails in the $32-35k range with a base single axle trailer and ZO. Something without a rear seat, no coming pads, analog gauges, etc. Just a drivers seat, observer's seat, and ZO.

Uhh..
CC 176 - failed
MC Sportstar - no longer made - failed
Malibu Sportster - no longer made
Original Malibu response - Upgraded to Echeclon and old shell dropped

And all the other low cost boats... TigerTrax, Sugar Sands, Aztec etc.

And in modern times, how many Axis WB boats do you see?

[oldslalomskier]

Just top speed and price?

Thats all....

What does it cost? anyway...?

...Tim

53K CAD for base/58K CAD for Team Ed. Add 8K for the 409 and with taxes you are looking at close to 70K CAD for a 409TE

[behindpropellers]

I absolutely think the mfr's need an economy ski boat. Something that retails in the $32-35k range with a base single axle trailer and ZO. Something without a rear seat, no coming pads, analog gauges, etc. Just a drivers seat, observer's seat, and ZO.

Uhh..
CC 176 - failed
MC Sportstar - no longer made - failed
Malibu Sportster - no longer made
Original Malibu response - Upgraded to Echeclon and old shell dropped

And all the other low cost boats... TigerTrax, Sugar Sands, Aztec etc.

And in modern times, how many Axis WB boats do you see?

176.... Failed.....like I said before....right sales model, different timeframe.

If you were to ask a dealer what was selling best 4 years ago they would tell you it was a wakeboard boat bought by 20-40 year olds.

What will they tell you today? Most people can't get the credit to spend $75K on a boat. They might be able to get $35K together to buy a ski boat though.

Times are a bit different in the financing world today.

Tim

[oldslalomskier]

There's no margin in decontent boats. The big WB boats have a much higher profit.

[CradGen2]

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong but it’s my understanding for years MC has sold more ski boats the CC. If so, one has to assume this is because of the open bow and CC had to deal with that.

From my understanding, info from my insider, it's a matter of how one tally's their sales.

MC "gave away/donated" lots of boats, and "forced" a substantial number of boats on their dealers and called them "sales'. CC does not play that game. And rarely gives anything away.

Mike

Sorry Mike - that is simply incorrect. Sales figures are calculated by state registrations. You can check Soundings for the latest stats from SSI who compiles them. MC and Malibu have outsold CC for what seems like forever. But who cares - McDonalds sells lots of hamburgers that I say can hardly pass for food.

I don't think sales are calculated on State Registrations. There are a number of boats on privite lake that never get registered. I could see them counting when the warranty cards are returned. I'd have to look through some note to remember when they are counted.

[oldslalomskier]

http://www.rbbi.com/desks/mkt/stats/stats.htm#research NMMA also collects stats from its members for annual sales, but they are self-reported numbers open to "interpretation" (ie. boats in the mold are called sold, etc.)

[oldslalomskier]

What will they tell you today? Most people can't get the credit to spend $75K on a boat. They might be able to get $35K together to buy a ski boat though.


Tim

But who really wants a ski boat?? The market is probably 75-90 % wakeboard