Bring Back the Original SAN 210!!

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  • Paublo
    • Jul 2006
    • 51

    • Arizona


    #16
    It is hard to compare prices on old vs new on anything, particularly with cars or boats. That old Camero didn't have the safety equipment, like air bags, side impact protection, crumple zones, etc. and the engines were nothing like you get today- EFI, low emissions, computer controls, adjustments and safeties. The same comparisons can be made to the boats- engine improvements, better materials such as gel coat and vinyl, Zero Off vs PP, better ballast systems, better stereo systems, etc. You can debate all day about if all of these are improvements, steps forward or backwards, or even if you reallly want them but they cost more. And competition really forces manufacturers to add them.

    I had an I/O for 18 years and in 2001 the "ski boats" caught my eye and I checked them out. I immediately fell in love with the 210 but money caused me to buy another brand DD model. I refuesed to finance any of the purchase. In 2004 I was ready for a V-drive and was familiar with all of them as I had gone to the boat show every year and had taken a few demo rides. The 210 was still my favorite, but the wife wouldn't even get in one as she felt it was too small and shallow. I had an excellent relationship with the dealer from my last boat, so I bought their 22' model. It was a good boat and everyone loved it. But I kept drooling over the 210 and had also kept on a first name basis friendship with the Nautique dealer. When the '07 210 came out I didn't like the rear seating arrangment, but was excited that it felt bigger and deeper. In '08 the seating got fixed, but I wasn't ready to buy. So this year was the time to buy and there were a lot of choices that got serious consideration. The poor economy created a buyers market, making it an even harder decision. This time I bought with my mind and my heart and got a new 210. Special ordered as I have all my boats, and I couldn't be happier.

    I think that the old style 210 is and will always be the best looking boat ever made. For serious wakeboarders it is the perfect boat. If you are taking a few more people, small kids or boat in bigger lakes with rougher water, the new 210 has advantages. What I like is that it still handles like a sports car, has great power and throttle response, but has the finish, detail, and design that I have admired about Nautique for years.

    My point in all this rambling? Don't try to do the cheap price point boat like others have done. It just cheapens your reputation, and probably doesn't add that many buyers as many will just move from buying a different Nautique instead of from other brands. And will they then be disappointed that it isn't the same as their other Nautuque. But if there is a market for it (like it seems there is), reintroduce the old 210 hull in a modern version. Keep it nice but with an existing hull there is no R&D to recover and maybe there are ways to offer it cheaper. It is interesting that even as expensive as they have gotten, how many are sold that are not Team Editions? Very, very few.

    And I will post pics of the new one soon.

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    • aarond0083
      Senior Member of PLANETNAUTIQUE
      • Aug 2006
      • 686

      • Triangle, NC


      #17
      Boat's are outrageously expensive. I was going to purchase a new one and quickly changed my mind after realizing what is was going to cost. I purchased this package in 2004 for $92K(60K truck, 32K 01 SAN). Today this same package would cost $130K. I also think the wake behind the 01 hull is better than todays hull.
      I would have spent the money backwards. 60K on the boat and 30K on the truck. The depreciation on your truck is WAY faster than a well caredfor new Nautique.
      Previous Nautiques
      2012 210
      2009 210
      2007 210
      2004 210

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      • WakeSlayer
        1,000 Post Club Member
        • Sep 2005
        • 2069

        • Silver Creek, MN

        • 1968 Mustang

        #18
        I really feel that if they re-introduced the boat with less bling on them, they would sell. It would keep the factory up and running, no re-tooling costs to speak of. It is a tried and proven boat that had a huge following for many years. Minimal stereo, basic tower, one engine option, basic stuff, adequate ballast system, with a kicka$$ hull. Let people add on aftermarket stuff after that. Many auto companies do this to a certain degree: Acura/Honda Lexus/ Toyota , etc
        As far as hurting resale on existing boats, I don't really think that is a problem either. I still think my boat is worth it's original retail cost, but in reality, that is not the case. And we are not talking about pimped out boats of the past, either. By the time Correct Craft could get this in motion all those boats will be worth less than that anyway.
        They need to make boats that will sell. There are tons of people that wish they could get into a Super Air but just cannot afford to anymore. The guys buying $80-100k boats are a very small minority and that crowd is thinning.

        Call them a SAN Classic.
        the WakeSlayer
        1999 Super Air - Python Powered <-- For Sale
        1968 Correct Craft Mustang

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        • HS
          1,000 Post Club Member
          • Oct 2007
          • 1333

          • Sammamish, WA

          • 2010 SANTE 210 (Sold)

          #19
          ^^What Crad said. I was under the impression that the current line of 211s are offered with less options to get to an entry level price point.
          2010 Super Air Nautique 210 Team Edition

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          • FLCERIK
            • Jun 2005
            • 68

            • Reno, Nevada


            #20
            [quote="aarond0083"]
            Boat's are outrageously expensive. I was going to purchase a new one and quickly changed my mind after realizing what is was going to cost. I purchased this package in 2004 for $92K(60K truck, 32K 01 SAN). Today this same package would cost $130K. I also think the wake behind the 01 hull is better than todays hull.
            I agree my Escalade is worth about 18K now. I do not agree on spending more on a boat. My wake is better than the new 60K boat and I have everything that I need that the new boats have. What else could you want?

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            • FLCERIK
              • Jun 2005
              • 68

              • Reno, Nevada


              #21
              [quote="aarond0083"]
              Boat's are outrageously expensive. I was going to purchase a new one and quickly changed my mind after realizing what is was going to cost. I purchased this package in 2004 for $92K(60K truck, 32K 01 SAN). Today this same package would cost $130K. I also think the wake behind the 01 hull is better than todays hull.
              I meant to quote the above.

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              • FLCERIK
                • Jun 2005
                • 68

                • Reno, Nevada


                #22
                I would have spent the money backwards. 60K on the boat and 30K on the truck. The depreciation on your truck is WAY faster than a well caredfor new Nautique.[/quote]

                3rd time is a charm

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                • SkiTundra
                  Senior Member of PLANETNAUTIQUE
                  • Jul 2008
                  • 513

                  • Unknown


                  #23
                  I think that bringing back the old 210 because it makes a better wake that any other boat would be a good move. Low price point wouldn't. Old mold or new mold it still costs a lot of money to create a boat with the quality of a Nautique. They could certainly leave off some bling like audio, keyless, digi gauges (improvement?), and ZO. Maybe limit the color combo's and only offer one engine. All of these would only save a few thousand. Realistically I think they'd be hard pressed to get it out for under $50k without sacrificing quality and I don't think any of us wants them to do that. The other problem is that this adds one more hull to the mfr'ing process and one more model for CC and dealers to stock and one more option to confuse potential customers.

                  Right now they're selling the new 210 which is proving a fairly popular family boat for active families. Really serious boarders who really want the old 210 can buy one used. Maybe in a year or three when the market has filled a bit with the new 210 they can switch back to the old (or something similar) for a few years.

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                  • zapada
                    • Jul 2008
                    • 112

                    • Sun Valley, ID


                    #24
                    I think it is a little ignorant to say what CC should have or could have done about the price and set-up of the new boats. A year ago, when most of them were probably built, not even the sharpest investors understood the deep and reaching effects that the housing and leverage bubble would cause in the GLOBAL economy. I'm not sure why anyone would criticize CC for not planning for such a thing, which is essentially what's you're doing. A year ago CC was building boats according to the then current demand and the highest price they thought the market would absolutely bear. In general, boat buyers weren't even satisfied with a completely decked out boat...they wanted to spend $7k on a trailer with 22" wheels to boot. Things were booming and CC was building accordingly. Obviously now, we understand that the boom was artificial so some adjustments are definitely being made in the market (new and used), but that is completely hind-sight...for everyone! If everyone thinks that it's such a great idea to build a "price point" 210 for $39 then why are there still so many for sale throughout the country? Check it out yourselves...ebay, boattrader, etc...a bunch for $40 or less and still no buyers. I don't think we can blame CC for that. Price point boats are a bad for ultra-high-end manufacturers; you want a V-drive for $40, go buy a used CC or buy a moomba. I don't think CC will ever get the price down that low...not without going out of business.

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                    • gride300
                      1,000 Post Club Member
                      • Apr 2008
                      • 1356

                      • mobile, al


                      #25
                      the inflation of price on the nautiques is abhorent IMO. i don't care b/c i don't plan on buying a new one for a decade or so, but by then it'll probably cost me 100,000 for a 210

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                      • zapada
                        • Jul 2008
                        • 112

                        • Sun Valley, ID


                        #26
                        the inflation of price on the nautiques is abhorent IMO. i don't care b/c i don't plan on buying a new one for a decade or so, but by then it'll probably cost me 100,000 for a 210
                        Agreed...but if you think inflation is bad now, just wait to see what happens next. Mark my words.

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                        • FLCERIK
                          • Jun 2005
                          • 68

                          • Reno, Nevada


                          #27
                          Originally posted by zapada
                          the inflation of price on the nautiques is abhorent IMO. i don't care b/c i don't plan on buying a new one for a decade or so, but by then it'll probably cost me 100,000 for a 210
                          Agreed...but if you think inflation is bad now, just wait to see what happens next. Mark my words.
                          I agree with the above, inflation is going to be OUTRAGEOUS in the next few years.

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                          • nautique06
                            • Sep 2005
                            • 124

                            • Columbus, Ohio


                            #28
                            10,000 pounds to produce a "decent wake"???? Not sure what CC you have been behind!

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                            • wakeboard1
                              • Sep 2007
                              • 74



                              #29
                              It's good to see all the responses. Like mentioned above, what are manufacturers going to do to get sales going again? Now that the artifically, loan money with reckless abandon market is gone; boats that are priced above $60,000 will be lucky to sell at half the volume they did in 2006. Anyway.....LONG LIVE THE ORIGINAL 210!!!!

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                              • SuperSquirt
                                Senior Member of PLANETNAUTIQUE
                                • Apr 2008
                                • 534

                                • Tennessee

                                • 2008 SANTE 210

                                #30
                                Don't blame CC on the price inflation, blame the federal reserve!

                                If you want the old 210 hull, go out and buy an 06 because they are probably still in great condition, and at a used price.

                                Doesn't everyone know that CC broke the old 210 mold and had to redesign??

                                Obviously, not many of you guys have tried the new hull. I like it way better than the old one (which i rode for 4 years)

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