'09 211 - CC's version of Moomba?

[gride300]

for the most part demand is not a big factor in the price of a boat dude unless it is a rare hard to get limited production model. these things arent rolls royces. and as for ordering or buying one off the lot that's new it's the same thing kinger. obviously dealer's make money or else they wouldnt be in business and they should, after all we are a capitalist country. i'm trying to make the point that when buying a boat there is a way to know what it is worth. when you go in you dont have to buy it if you dont like the price. same with a used boat. if you shop around you'll find a better price than getting the first one you see. and as for now, with high oil prices, many people in debt, inflation rising, people being out of jobs, etc does have an effect on used boats, but for the most part people buying nautiques arent worried about that. not to be rude, but if a slumping economy does force you to sell your boat or not put gas in it perhaps you shouldnt have it in the first place. i think it is important to have your life in order financially before going out and making a large purchase that you really CANT afford and for those of you freaking about unemployment rising, it's cyclical and has been low for a while. it is supposed to be 6%. enjoy

[sfjakey]

I didn't read where anyone was refering to the price of fuel or the economy with regard to CC's new models. Did I miss something? Unemployment has nothing to do with my feelings on CC's decision to dilute the 211 either. CC undermining its customer base and "rebadging a cadillac as a Kia" is what is at the heart of this poor decision. Oh yeah, the new boat is insanely ugly to my tastes, as well. Malibu already exists, don't try to copy them. I also don't think it is your place to judge who should and should not be buying a boat based on their financial standing. I wrote a check for mine, does that matter? Many people buy boats for the opportunity to spend good, quality time together as a family doing something fun. No price is too high for that.

[RLS]

Demand is the only thing that sets price. If it cost more to make a boat than people can afford the builder will not sell any boats. As demand goes up both the builder and dealer can raise their profit margins. Before things turned down profit margins had been very good in the boat market. Boats are a luxury. They get squeazed first. As the economy slows down prices will go down. When the economy turns around so will prices.

I belive that the 211 has always been the entry level CC boat. I think it is the lowest price boat in the line of V-drives. Nothing has changed. I bought the 211 because it fit what I needed. I have the options that I wanted. I could have spent more but this was the boat I wanted. I looked at 211s for three years. The dealers in this area would not break price. They were selling all they could get. That changed last fall. CC offered a rebate and the local dealer also broke price. The boat they wanted $60,000 was now under $50,000. Still a little more than I wanted to pay but I payed. The other CC dealer in the area would not reduce price as much and now he is no longer around.

I don't think CC is turning the 211 into a V-ride or a Kia. I think it is using it as a way to get people look at a great boat at a good price. sf jakey if I remember correctly you have a fully loaded Team 211 with the engine upgrade. That is a different boat than the 211 Signature. People will start looking at the Signature and if they have the money will end up with a boat with a few more option and the price will go up. There was a guy here a few months back that bought a 211 with a 5.0 liter engine. He saved a few dollars but does not have the boat you have.

[SkiTower]

I've got the SE with the 5.0 and no tanks and no PP. What I was looking for was a V-drive slalom boat. Probably get nailed on resale, but for now I'm happy.

[Erik]

Why isn't Erik on this thread - this is exactly the kind of topic he loves to get all worked up about. (not to call you out or anything Erik)

The 211 is not my favorite boat from them, so I have only been half-watching this thread. I disagree with some of the comments in here. On one hand we know that we have people that want their cake & eat it too and freak out at the rising sticker prices of Correct Crafts, but then there are people (such as the original poster) who likens an attempt to bring it down a tad - to a Moomba. Not a Supra, but a tertiary level brand. Well which is it CC massive? Liken a Supra to a Moomba or vice versa, but not a Correct Craft to a Moomba. Liken this Correct Craft to another Correct Craft, because that's what it is, that's what the construction will show, the support, the warranty and so on. If we looked at it as Correct Craft offering something to compete heavily with the I/O crowd - who's to argue that? I'm sure that they need to in some ways! And the 211 makes sense in that way as it is so functional and they build so many of them that it, as their cash cow, can probably be tailed off in price a bit.

A good portion of the rest of the lineup still requires time to recoup r & d costs. My arguments about that budget 210 stopped in 2007 when the brandy new one came out. The Super Sport or 'Classic 210' was always that boat that made the most sense to me to offer to consumers as price point boat. They've made - what - umpteen-giggidy numbers of them since late 1994? My idea was to make a 210 and perhaps a 196 super stripped and see what happens. I have talked to numbers of Correct Craft employees about this idea and some agreed it makes sense, some didn't. Some believed that my idea was already being put into action as all of their boats could be ordered in a no-frills package. I think where they're headed with the 211 is more to my concept, but not the boat I thought of them doing it with. In the end what they're doing probably makes the most sense.

But going back, again, I still think if in 2005-2006 they offered the 210 in an extraordinarily simple form (drastic stuff like one color gelcoat, one color upholstery, simple carpet & electronics) and put it out to compete with the X1 - they'd have destroyed them with the '210 Standard' as I was pitching it. And they would have given me one for my sweet idea!

Anyway, a simplified 211 will make a lot of sense to a lot of people. And a Correct Craft is a Correct Craft.

[RLS]

SkiTower, If you like the boat that is all that matters. You have a great boat that fits your needs. I hope you didn't think I was talking bad about your boat.

I don't think we know what CC is going to do. I think they are going to use it as a boat you can get anyway you want. If you want a standard boat that's great. You may see 211's at boat shows with price tags less than $50,000 and they will be bare bones. If you want more you will pay. Of the three boats here, SkiTowers SE, My Limited and sfjakeys Team all are great boats and all are built better than most boats out there. I don't think much will change with the three boats. You may see a few more SE on the showroom floor but people will buy what they want. After looking back the best description is the Boxter description. It may be Porches entry price point but is still a great car.

[SkiTower]

SkiTower, If you like the boat that is all that matters. You have a great boat that fits your needs. I hope you didn't think I was talking bad about your boat.

I didn't take it that way. Some hard core wakeboarders probably can't figure out why anybody would buy my configuration, I was just explaining that it is great for other uses. 8-)

And unfortunately, for that reason I know I'll take a hit at selling time...

[RLS]

Enjoy it and don't worry about it. That's what I am going to do. I am glad I bought a 211. I do not think the 2009 boats will change that. I am thinking about the Perfect Pass Stargazer for it.

[LT206]

Thanks Erik - I knew we could count on you for thoughtful insight!

[STANGKILLASS]

yeah making a wakeboat more affordable is a horrible idea.
not everyone is rich. the majority of us cannot even come close to affording a 50K boat, let alone what YOU consider a nice wake boat.

[innov8]

50,000 for a Stripped down 211 is not really a budget boat, its an affordable Nautique for the boaters that couldn't afford a Nautique when out shopping.
You have always been able to buy a 210 STANDARD for a lot less then a 210 super Air, that does not make the 210 any less of a boat.
It will be the same for the 211, selling a 211 with Standard options for 50k does not make the 211 any less of a boat IMO.