Too early to talk about a 2019 G23? Any expectation?

[Kenv]

Can someone explain? Thanks

Yeah....I think the words "Power"...."Tower"....pretty much touch on what this will be....I'm guessing....and I really mean that...that it will be an automatic up and down tower with the push of a button like MasterCraft......

[Soul_surfer]

Yep exactly like the video above.

power tower is electric down and up tower with a touch of a button.
Tige introduced it in 2017, MC and Supra followed.
think it’s time to others. At least as an option.

For Ramfill I’m pretty much on the same side as wayward.
good technology, but surely Nautique can come up with something better.
I think MasterCraft already work on something better.
Let ramfill to the entry line, give some better tech to Nautique.

[GMLIII]

Yeah....I think the words "Power"...."Tower"....pretty much touch on what this will be....I'm guessing....and I really mean that...that it will be an automatic up and down tower with the push of a button like MasterCraft......

I see fhanks for explaining .

[Wayward]

Yep exactly like the video above.

power tower is electric down and up tower with a touch of a button.
Tige introduced it in 2017, MC and Supra followed.
think it’s time to others. At least as an option.

For Ramfill I’m pretty much on the same side as wayward.
good technology, but surely Nautique can come up with something better.
I think MasterCraft already work on something better.
Let ramfill to the entry line, give some better tech to Nautique.

MC has had a power tower for the better part of a decade....... introduced late in 2010.

[wakerider107]

Yep exactly like the video above.

power tower is electric down and up tower with a touch of a button.
Tige introduced it in 2017, MC and Supra followed.
think it’s time to others. At least as an option.

For Ramfill I’m pretty much on the same side as wayward.
good technology, but surely Nautique can come up with something better.
I think MasterCraft already work on something better.
Let ramfill to the entry line, give some better tech to Nautique.

MC came out with it in 2011.

I'm still not sold on ramfill. I've heard of there being issues with the newer boats with it, plus there is still a wait time for bags.
I would prefer if Nautique did bigger and faster pumps like the xstar. The only downside with the xstar is the boat has to sit running at idle while filling as it won't have enough power to run when the boat is off, but 3 min is faster than putting on a wakeboard anyway.

[Wayward]

The only downside with the xstar is the boat has to sit running at idle while filling as it won't have enough power to run when the boat is off, but 3 min is faster than putting on a wakeboard anyway.

I thought that having to run the boat would be sort of a downer at first as well...... but on my demo we stayed empty till we got to the ride spot, and I put my board on. At that point the rep said “you ready to go?”. He activated the profile and I stood up, double checked my laces quick, and jumped in the water. Overflows were spitting before I was able to say “hit it”.

in their promo vids they say “less than three mins”, and I’m sure they were hoping to say “less than 2 mins”...... it’s close. This is a shot of the factory timers.

[nohlan_4]

Ramfill isn't the best for tuneability either for sure not as accurate as timed pumps so I don't think it will ever be the answer at all.

[Soul_surfer]

MC has had a power tower for the better part of a decade....... introduced late in 2010.

**** Never heard of it. My bad.
The only MC I’ve seen lowering his tower was a 2017 I made the guess it was new.

[Wayward]

**** Never heard of it. My bad.
The only MC I’ve seen lowering his tower was a 2017 I made the guess it was new.

ya, original was the ZFT-5P. I had it on my 2011 X25, and 13 X30. It had issues the first year it came out with the electric actuators, so they changed to hydraulic and retrofitted all the earlier boats free of charge. It was bulletproof after that. For that reason, I'm a little surprised that Tige and Supra went the electric actuator route, after the probs MC had with it.


Anywho- my hugest gripe with my G23s was the vinyl. Nautique NEEDS to do something about their vinyl..... pinking all over the place in my 2016, Durability issues with both my '16 and '17, it's hotter than heck, and doesn't breath. I was so used to cool feel, that I really noticed this, and really hated it.

so for '19, they should definitely start using advanced vinyls. They are 1000% cooler, a lot more durable, and they breath well, so that you don't get the slimey sweat spots if you sit against it a while.

[Wake.BC]

For the ballast filling are you able to manually reset the timers?

If so add two tsunami pumps in the rears just for fills and take into consideration the new fill time with both of them on.


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[Wayward]

You can’t adjust the timers on the G

[scottb7]

I don't think you can adjust the timers. So as soon as you start messing with the system at all, the levels aren't going to Auto work. If you just filling up both sides completely then your idea I think is very good just fill until it overflows. Especially when you consider that the current system already has an overflow to the outside and that overflow when draining would work as event. Regardless of how many pumps.

So your idea is really interesting. You could probably just use the same Hull hole and actually with some check valves add a second tsunami and drain quickly also. Although no one is as much in a rush when draining as they are when filling.

I wonder if we should start a separate thread on best place to drill a hole in the bottom of the boat on a G Series. Just to get opinions on that. It seems to me that there are already enough holes in the middle of the boat. I wonder if you could drill some in the back. I don't know how close the ones in the middle would be to each other if you added some more. Without getting weakness.



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[Soul_surfer]

ya, original was the ZFT-5P. I had it on my 2011 X25, and 13 X30. It had issues the first year it came out with the electric actuators, so they changed to hydraulic and retrofitted all the earlier boats free of charge. It was bulletproof after that. For that reason, I'm a little surprised that Tige and Supra went the electric actuator route, after the probs MC had with it.


Anywho- my hugest gripe with my G23s was the vinyl. Nautique NEEDS to do something about their vinyl..... pinking all over the place in my 2016, Durability issues with both my '16 and '17, it's hotter than heck, and doesn't breath. I was so used to cool feel, that I really noticed this, and really hated it.

so for '19, they should definitely start using advanced vinyls. They are 1000% cooler, a lot more durable, and they breath well, so that you don't get the slimey sweat spots if you sit against it a while.

Totally agreed. MC cool feel is really on point.
had few issues with it first year but fix it the year after and re-done all upholstery of customer that was complaining.
really great.

[Infinity]

It's a nice setup until it isn't. My problem with Ramfill is its failure mode. We spend almost all of our time surfing with ballast full. Literally 95% of my hours are full ballast surfing. What happens when I have an engine or electrical failure and I can't get the boat on plane to empty the ballast tanks? How does one recover a boat with 3,000+ of ballast? No thanks. Give me dual, fast-pumping electric fill.


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So as another perspective to the Ramfill thing, I have a 2014 which was the first year it came out. No doubt there were issues then, I actually got the upgraded Valterra Valves cause of the rumors and have not installed them cause the original Drainmaster have worked perfectly for 300hrs. I just lube them every other outing. And there are backup manual valves on both gates so you dont get "stuck" with full ballast and cannot recover the boat

[Infinity]

I gotta ask.... what is really so great about centurions setup?? Sure, ramfill fills THE LOWER portion of the ballast really fast..... but the bags on top of those lower tanks take forever to fill. There is bags all over the place in the 217, 237, and 257, and it takes more than 10 minutes to fill them. What are they really saving? All it does is double up the amount of needed hardware, and increases the likelihood of component failure.

if they could fill all the ballast with ramfill, and skip all the pumps, I’d say it could be a good setup....... but it’s not.

Why do you think the bags take forever on the Centurion? I have Ramfill (1250 per side for total of 2500lbs in 45 seconds).....plus 2) 700lb PnP bags in rear and 500lb bag in front. Takes 5-6mins to fill them till they are spitting out the sides. Add 500lbs of lead and you have 4900lbs of ballast and a kickass wave!

Not knocking the G at all, love those boats too. Fit and finish on interior is great and they kick a nice steep wave. Just saying